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our co-host this week is Nicholas

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Redfern later on the show we'll be

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introducing our special guest Jason

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Offit he's got a new book out called

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what lurks beyond the power normal in

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your backyard now I don't really have a

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backyard I live in an apartment complex

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and before we join Jason Nick you have a

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backyard maybe where you live so have

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you ever looked in that backyard and

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said you know what maybe there's some

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paranormal event that I'm missing out on

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no no a backyard is pretty standard and

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normal if there's anything weird lurking

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in there I think I probably would have

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seen it by now but I've been joking

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aside yeah I mean the the surrounding

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area certainly you know and I think this

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is the same for anywhere radio I sort of

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right for investigation I mean within

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within an hour's drive in many director

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so in any direction you know it's like

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from where we live in one way one

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direction we have the grassy knoll where

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President Kennedy was killed in the

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other direction we have the famous or or

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a cemetery where the supposedly a UFO

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crash in 1897 and according to the local

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legend the body of the dead

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and recovered from the crash was was

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buried in the local cemetery and if you

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had northwards you have a story of a

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strange creature known as the gold man

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which reputedly horns an old bridge in

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the local town so yeah in other words

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immediate area I think like a lot of

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places not just in the US but all around

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the world you know you it's surprising

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how much strange and if you do actually

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find well you bring that up do you think

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here in terms of the reports about

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window areas portal areas we're talking

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about things like Marley Woods for

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example the area that Ted Phillips has

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so we know number one we can find

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strange events within the so-called

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hundred mile window of our own city but

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what about the concentration in specific

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areas of the country or the world what

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do you think about those yeah I think

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that's an important sort of point to

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make or an important difference to to

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point out to people is the fact that you

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know as I just said you can go one

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direction from where we live and go to

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the sides of the Kennedy assassination

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the other way the crashed UFO incident

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from 1897 and then the goatman story now

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evidence of any sort of weird forty and

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window area what I think it is is a lot

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of towns and villages have little

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folktales attached to them and sometimes

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you get something really big attached to

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like a I can potential conspiracy like

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the Kennedy assassination but in saying

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that you do get certain locations all

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around the world that seem to have a far

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deeper and more extensive concentration

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of paranormal activity in not just you

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literally all in one area that maybe is

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radius and often these areas are areas

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of dense ancient woodland forest land

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for some weird reason it was a famous

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one quite close to where I used to live

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chasey this odd large area heathland

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loose ghostly black dogs werewolves

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at the werewolf here okay because I

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certainly know if you've watched the

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British TV show being human this is

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where a werewolf a ghost and the vampire

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tried to act like normal people with

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normal lives except of course the ghost

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is never seen by anyone but the werewolf

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werewolves have you ever investigated a

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werewolf case that had something real

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behind his or just people who have

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mental problems who envision they are

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wolves well I mean it's interesting

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that I was investigated don't fall into

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something like cryptozoology where

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unidentified wolf-like creature most of

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where for example the sightings would be

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places like over here ancient Native

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where are many of the witnesses actually

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felt no matter which part of the world

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they're in that these creatures if you

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like that's the best word to call them

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seemingly had the ability to sort of

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feed upon human emotion that makes any

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almost like an emotional vampire that

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needed to be seen to feed on human

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emotion to thrive and survive so in

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other words people are necessarily

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talking about the classic Hollywood

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imagery of you know somebody turns into

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a werewolf or the sight of the full moon

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and then kills a bunch of kids in the

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woods nothing like that it's almost like

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these things are if they're real of

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course are permanently in this form but

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they're more paranormal or supernatural

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however define those terms and they are

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what you're saying here but is it a

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person who physically looks like a wolf

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or is a separate creature we don't have

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a full Merlin involved here we don't

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have that famous phrase even a man who's

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pure in heart and says his prayers by

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night may become a wolf when the

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wolfbane blooms and the moon is full and

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third-hand story where somebody has

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mutate or shape-shifting - like a

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werewolf for the most part people are

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rear up onto their hind legs but still

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look like walls you know we're not

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zoological record doesn't allow for

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exist in the slightest but that is what

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people reported from all around the

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world so either you know we take the

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view that all these people don't even

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know each other a line or mistaken or

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some sort of creature on those lines

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does exist which i think is unlikely you

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something strange is going on that's

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that Falls more into the realm of

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paranormal but the ironic thing is that

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the classic imagery of shape-shifting

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humans just doesn't seem to play any

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sort of major role in the reality of the

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those movies of course once the movies

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exist we have the stuff and legends to

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worry about but I won't get into that in

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much detail now our guest today has

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written about a wide range of paranormal

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subjects Jason Offit and I noticed

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quoted the back cover of the book what

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lurks beyond the paranormal in your

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backyard so in the remaining one minute

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what attracts you to this book and why

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but it's one of the books or the other

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theme of the book is I guess one I kind

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of wish I'd written myself basically

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what jason has done with his book is to

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address a whole range of paranormal

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issues and phenomena but to ensure that

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everything that he's look into occurred

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no more than 100 miles from his front

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door so in other words you know it's

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like it's not just a regional study of

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phenomena which a lot of things have

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been done but it's specifically I guess

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geographically you know clearly

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delineated and you know he's made a good

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case for the fact that if you look you

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miles of their front door and find you

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thought-provoking idea to write a book

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the power cast this week Jason Offutt

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author of what lurks beyond the

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paranormal in your backyard indeed your

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beyond the paranormal in your backyard

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of course Jason was on the para casi you

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were 2 back and he's been a busy bee so

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Jason what made you want to focus on

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shall we say nearby paranormal events

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well I was doing was doing research on

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paranormal events fairly nearby me just

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because they were they were easy at the

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time then I started noticing there were

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a lot of them so I really really just

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focused on on an area around you know

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around where I lived and and I found an

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absolute ton of things and I can came up

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with the idea of the book mainly for two

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reasons one I wanted to show people that

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no matter where they live that there's

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something weird going on around around

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them UFOs aren't you know relegated to

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one spot on the globe because it's not

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just relegated to the Pacific Northwest

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you know these things are everywhere you

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just have to open your eyes and see them

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and in 100 miles picked hundred miles

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from Earth from my house mainly because

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it's a time when I come out came up with

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the concept gas was about four bucks a

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gallon here in the Midwest so I didn't

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want to drive too far and so you figured

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that you could basically go what four

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gallons of gas at 25 miles per gallon so

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that's 16 dollars worth of travel right

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each way journalist so yeah we're pretty

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cheap I'll tell you what most

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journalists are basically working on the

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cheap very few make a lot of money okay

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so you chose 100 miles

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now with that also be true if you're

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like a big urban area like New York City

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because that takes you to the Hudson

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Valley in places like that well

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right I'm saying it from anywhere new

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for us so someplace like New York City

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is is absolutely crawling with

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paranormal activity just because the

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amount of people I've had people ask me

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Jason where's the most honored place on

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earth well you know I don't know but I'm

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guessing some place like London or Tokyo

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or New York just because of the vast

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volumes of people who have lived in one

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spot at one time you know I mean the

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ghost encounters there have got to be in

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you know crazy so basically if it's a

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place that has a lot of history behind

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it it's been there for a while it's not

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just something that was built like

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Levittown New York where they built it

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from scratch or even Levittown New York

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would be you have weird things going on

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you know the Amityville Horror that's

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not so far from Levittown well it's kind

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of the point of the book it doesn't

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really really matter you know where you

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are or you know how long the the town's

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been there been people I've interviewed

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who built their house on ground that

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they're almost certain that there's

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never been a house before and and you

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know from day one from moving in it's

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it's haunted you know what's going on so

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you know a cue patient probably means

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means quite a bit but it doesn't mean

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everything okay so it's a hundred miles

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radius diameter whatever of your home

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and you pick these areas how did you do

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your research did you just talk to

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people go to the library's newspaper

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morgues what well all the above I had to

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well mainly you know I defined find

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people who were willing to talk about

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about their experiences and and and from

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that I did research with

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you know going going to libraries and

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and as you said newspaper morgues and

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fortunately all the things are online

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now but I'm a journalist by trade I was

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a newspaper reporter and editor for

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about 18 years

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par that I was time I was a bartender so

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listen to it a lot of reporting well

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bartenders I was doing a lot of human

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interest work and counseling and therapy

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right right right I can justify that

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absolutely but but I researched

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researched and wrote wrote the book like

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a journalist because that's what I use

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and that's what I am and that's what I

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teach

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so so that's that's how I approached it

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okay so how do you vet these cases how

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do you decide

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which cases are really substantive

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enough to maybe be real and which are

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the fake things the stuff that is made

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up of fraud or whatever well I may be a

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journalist for a long time I think I've

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got a pretty good BS detector and

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whatever my my kids turn you know turn

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into teenagers I sure hope I've got a

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pretty good BS detector so that that's

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one thing I kind of rely on my instincts

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but for them for the book I I tried to

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do as much research as possible so there

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is some documentation on these cases you

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know whether it's you know from from

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newspapers or you know or magazine

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articles or whatnot there's something

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down in print or in the historic record

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saying that yeah something happened here

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at this time the rest of it I you know

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go off go off interviews I've got it I

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think I've got a rule one if somebody

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says they see a ghost and they seem

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sincere I can take them on on face value

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the same with seeing Bigfoot are saying

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seeing strange lights in the sky but if

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somebody says that they can read they

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can read minds I have seen Bigfoot have

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been been aboard a UFO and have given

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JFK a backrub all within a week that's

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so let's do that okay so basically if

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you start pushing the envelope as far as

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the experiences you've had you have too

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many experiences that may be a bad thing

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where it may be indications of deception

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in my in my opinion yes I've kind of

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softened on that over the years because

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I've started finding that a lot of

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people who have paranormal experiences

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Austin seer intelligence people have had

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some paranormal experiences and then

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other ones have followed them other

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paranormal experiences have followed and

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they're generally disturbed genuinely

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disturbed by them so my stance is like I

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said to getting soft a bit okay have you

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in your course of your research found

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stuff that just so obviously a fraud

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that's worth even mentioning because you

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want to have a reality check

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well nothing that I have nothing that

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I've covered seemed you know like like

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such a fraud that I didn't cover it

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there there are a few a few

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cases where things seem kind of

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far-fetched and and and I went

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personally you know out to the to the

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graveyard at two o'clock in the morning

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at the witch's grave where she's

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supposed to appear every third night and

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say boo

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and of course nothing's happened so I

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mean but and I've written about it but

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I've written about it in a way that said

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okay this is the claim and yeah nothing

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happened when I went out there so does

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the book contain instances like that

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where you talk about going out or

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investigating something and doesn't pass

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muster I this book I just did I just did

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one of those it's a very last chapter of

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the book and actually see the appendix

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of the book and I am I made a point of

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saying I pointed that out because it did

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was the witch's grave in the cemetery

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that they spelled with an A on the sign

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that is an urban legend I just used that

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as an example of there are you know

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which is in the graveyard stories all

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across the country you know how many

520
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witches were in Northwest Missouri or

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north northeast Kansas back in the

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mid-1800s probably not that many fast

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car we split for our next section just a

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quickie question here so are there any

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real reports of which is in the

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graveyard or is it all just a legend

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well in my area I think it's all just a

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legend but I can't a hundred a hundred

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percent say anything

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go ago to go to older parts of the

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country go to go to Europe probably

532
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there are some some true stories of

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which is in the graveyard but not around

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this neck of the woods don't know if any

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witches in the graveyard here either we

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have Jason Offit he's author of a new

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book called what lurks beyond the

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paranormal in your backyard and he means

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your backyard because it's everybody's

540
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backyard if you do some research within

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a hundred miles of your home you're

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gonna find some strange things are

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happening unless you live in some kind

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okay we're exploring the things that he

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discovered as he was trying to find the

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paranormal events within 100 miles of

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his home what part of the country do you

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live in Jason

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Northwest Missouri which I picked up a

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rock I could probably hit Iowa from here

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home of home Oh Brad tiger at being Iowa

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thought was kind of funny that he

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doesn't live that far away from me so

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did you find any interesting cases in

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Brad Stigers backyard he lives just a

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little bit a little bit outside my 100

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mile range but no I didn't I imagine

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there are plenty but I imagine he's

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written about all of them

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now one thing it takes us to the

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discussion of things like window areas

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where lots of events seem to occur in

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looking over your particular situation

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here where you had ghosts you had UFOs

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strange creatures did you find a

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specific concentration of one kind of

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event or what not a not of one kind they

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were just a lot of different events and

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in in research a lot of things that I

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didn't I didn't include in the book

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because because I started putting things

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together afterward with it there are a

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lot of really weird things that have

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happened here that you normally wouldn't

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think of as paranormal I don't know if

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you're familiar with the bully of

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Skidmore Missouri it was a nationwide

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news news story back in the night early

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1980s Brian Dennehy

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played played the bully in a made-for-tv

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movie he always does that very well yes

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yes he does I believe he was also John

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Wayne Gacy but anyway yeah this this guy

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had terrorized Northwest Missouri and

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northeast northeastern Kansas and the

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townspeople in this really small town

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got sick of him and all of them gathered

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around his truck one afternoon and

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everybody in town shot him dead and

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nobody was ever convicted and that

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happened about 11 miles from me I've

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never been there were three murders last

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year in a town of 12,000 people in

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nice quiet rural area there was a

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similar similar to an in cold-blood case

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that happened here in the 1970s so that

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and a bunch of other strange things that

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have occurred you know right here right

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right near where I live

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makes me think that you know I don't

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know if I call it a window or maybe

721
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there's some strange attraction here

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that that they just happened so maybe

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your backyard is an extraordinary

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backyard it could be it could be yeah I

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mean I think one of the things that kind

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of intrigues me about Jason's book

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particularly is the fact that sort of

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the sheer widespread scale of different

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phenomena that he found I mean I just

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wondered you know if that's a sort of

731
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surprise you were you expecting you know

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based on that I guess Cole to a local

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folklore that it was just going to be

734
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this or that I mean you have everything

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from UFOs to ghosts to time travel even

736
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I just wonder if the sheer range of

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phenomena surprised you or not what is

738
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nothing surprise you anymore

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yeah well I did it did I expected when I

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set out I expected a lot of ghost

741
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stories and there are a whole lot of

742
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ghost stories I left out of the book

743
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just because they get you know

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repetitive after a while mmm but the the

745
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Bigfoot stories I thought maybe I could

746
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:55,270
find find something in the area because

747
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Missouri has a pretty pretty famous

748
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Bigfoot encounter from the early 1970s

749
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Momo the Missouri monster but it was

750
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quite a ways away there's also a

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reported UFO crash in southeastern

752
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Missouri which was way out of my range

753
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so there are weird things that have

754
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happened here but within a hundred miles

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00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:17,320
yeah I was a little surprised to find

756
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you know two Bigfoot encounters they the

757
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time travel a case of demon possession

758
00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:25,630
something weird that fell out of the sky

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00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:29,140
and and promptly disappeared then again

760
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:30,970
there was a fairly famous case in

761
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,930
Ashland Nebraska herb Shermer his his

762
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:37,600
reported abduction so yeah the range

763
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:38,950
surprised me a little bit but it was a

764
00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:40,360
it was a really a pleasant surprise

765
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:43,030
and you know I mean that's one of the

766
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:45,010
things actually sort of pleasantly

767
00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:46,810
surprised me with the father you covered

768
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:49,660
the the famous pervert Shermer case in

769
00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:50,890
1956

770
00:31:56,370 --> 00:31:53,040
excuse me 1967 which is sort of very

771
00:31:58,380 --> 00:31:56,380
famous UFO incident which I think for a

772
00:32:00,120 --> 00:31:58,390
lot of people who new to the subjects

773
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:00,130
have sort of forgotten about but the

774
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:02,140
very father this was one again that was

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:04,510
on your doorstep and you're also able to

776
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:06,730
sort of find out something that not a

777
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:09,460
lot of people where I was what Sherman's

778
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,110
up to today could you talk a little bit

779
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:12,880
about that case and you know what you

780
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,470
found out about it I think four people

781
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:16,480
are into UFOs particularly you know

782
00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:18,910
they'll find it interesting right and I

783
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:20,800
remembered reading something about that

784
00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:23,380
case a long time ago and then when I

785
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:26,670
found that it was about 97 miles away I

786
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:29,410
thought that was fantastic I also found

787
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:32,370
you know to the to the principal

788
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:35,830
investigators are still alive of course

789
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:37,810
one of the aforementioned Brad's Tiger I

790
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:39,190
talked to him about it and I talked with

791
00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:44,160
dr. Leo sprinkle who who hypnotized him

792
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:47,140
hypnotized her for the you know the

793
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:50,530
Condon report anyway yeah for those who

794
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:54,610
are familiar in in 1967

795
00:32:58,140 --> 00:32:56,230
Herbert Shermer who had just gotten out

796
00:33:00,510 --> 00:32:58,150
of the Navy moved in with his parents

797
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:00,520
who lived near a small town called

798
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:03,550
Ashland Nebraska and he wanted to be a

799
00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:07,000
highway patrolman to do that one of the

800
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:08,140
things to do that is he had to get a

801
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:10,150
background check so he went to the local

802
00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:12,100
police department in Ashland to get that

803
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:14,500
and they had a position open and offered

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him a job so he became a he became a

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police officer and he was extremely

806
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dedicated to his work and the local

807
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:24,520
teens absolutely couldn't stand him

808
00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:26,230
because he chased them off of lovers

809
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:30,040
lying almost every night yeah overnight

810
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:34,390
about 131 or 130 he was doing patrol on

811
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:37,510
the edge of town and drove by businesses

812
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:38,920
stopped to make sure that doors were

813
00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:40,630
locked and everything wasn't okay and

814
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:42,790
when he went to a spot to turn around he

815
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:45,850
saw red lights that looked like a very

816
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large truck and overturned and those

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were the taillights and as he pulled

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closer he realized that it wasn't a

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truck it was an aerial and aerial craft

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a circular aerial craft that was

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floating about six feet off the ground

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he described a catwalk on the thing and

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then the next thing here

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members is he's driving back to the

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station about 20 minutes later it has no

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idea what happened to him and he goes in

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and explains to this other police

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officer an older police officer what had

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happened and the older police officer

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said do not write that in your report

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you're going to regret it for the rest

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of your life and being a young man you

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know he completely brushed rusty older

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guy off and wrote it in his report and

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it hit the national news and it

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completely completely messed his life up

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he was eventually hired a mess his life

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up let's get the specifics okay well I

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was I was going there after he would was

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interviewed by doctor sprinkle in

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Boulder Colorado for the Condon report

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the police chief who fully supported him

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on this quit and Shermer was appointed

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chief of police everything sounds

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terrific he was given a book deal you

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know everything's sounding sounding

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great and then he started having issues

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in the evening when he when he went to

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sleep he would wake up and he would have

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handcuffed his wife or he would he would

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wake up she would wake him up screaming

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because he was standing there pointing a

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gun at her head he started having some

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health problems people were burning

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cemetery and eventually he had to he had

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to resign his position because it was

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just it was too it was too much stress

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and it it wrecked his marriage yeah that

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that's the sort of thing that that

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messed up his life

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and he kept he kept reporting to the

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newspaper that that these fuzzy fuzzy

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things from outer space where we're

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talking to him in his sleep and that

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they were going to eventually come and

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get him which which they didn't but

868
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angle excuse me he's still around today

869
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that's correct he is still around today

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he doesn't talk about they doesn't talk

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about his encounter anymore and he owns

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a roofing company in Georgia you know

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what I think that might be the best

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thing to do you know if you get really

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really screwed up and your life has

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turned around by some sort of paranormal

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encounter open a roofing company in

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Georgia or maybe one in Las Vegas a you

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have to

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start rebuilding their housing situation

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there but that takes us into real

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politics I don't want to do that Jason

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questions from the para cast forums and

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they will be read unedited so jason has

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been forewarned we never know what

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they're gonna ask and he's gonna sit

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there and be a good gentleman and

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respond to the questions okay let's look

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at some of the other things that are

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going on here in this book did you act

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all ever see anything strange during

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your investigation research for this

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book see anything strange no I did not

1020
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and I don't I saw I saw a couple of

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weird things when I was when I was child

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I've heard a couple of strange things as

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an adult but generally funeral things

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don't happen to me and that's terrific I

1025
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often tell people that yes the

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paranormal is fantastic it's fun as long

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as it's happening to somebody else I

1028
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feel the same a lot of things happen

1029
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around me and I have never really had

1030
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anything that I'd call paranormal

1031
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although there's a little bit of a

1032
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little bit of a fuzz factor there but

1033
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I'll ask Nick as co-host of the show

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Nick anything weird happen to you um I

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think the one thing that I you know I've

1036
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never had a sort of a UFO crash in the

1037
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garden or anything like that but one of

1038
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the things that I do get and I think a

1039
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lot of people would in this field do get

1040
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that so that I dig into it he's kind of

1041
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weird synchronicities but it seemed to

1042
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happen more

1043
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or the more than you galv into the

1044
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phenomenon now why that should be the

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case or whether we're just looking for

1046
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them who knows but I have found over the

1047
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years I don't dismiss this and I don't I

1048
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don't even know how to explain it beyond

1049
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the fact that weird synchronicity that

1050
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seems to put you in the right place at

1051
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the right time with the right people

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just generally strange stuff that you

1053
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know most people right off is coincident

1054
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seems to occur to a far greater degree

1055
00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:23,780
we're kind of drawn into it I guess from

1056
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the nature of the stuff that we do I've

1057
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noticed a lot of the same time people

1058
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saying Nick that sure that you're

1059
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mentioning but I'm still still at the

1060
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point to where is is this something

1061
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paranormal that's happening is or is

1062
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this just the fact that I'm paying more

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attention to things and in my mind is

1064
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coming to conclusions I have really

1065
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decided that yet on my part yeah I think

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a lot of people you know within the

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realm of 40 honor are frustrated by the

1068
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fact that they're looking for the

1069
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answers and they never seem to be in the

1070
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right place at the right times almost

1071
00:44:00,760 --> 00:43:58,310
like the phenomenon is toying with them

1072
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:00,770
you know deliberately going out of their

1073
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area and focusing on somebody else now

1074
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you know again you could argue they need

1075
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just in the wrong place at the right

1076
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time and that may be the all there is to

1077
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it but I think a number of people have

1078
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felt almost I guess manipulated and you

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know gambled on a string to an extent as

1080
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:17,900
to you know and not actually getting the

1081
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:19,100
answers they're looking for because

1082
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,620
there's something bigger out there it's

1083
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:22,880
actually having an effect on the

1084
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:26,180
situation I'm right now researching and

1085
00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:29,930
starting to write on a book on a on a

1086
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:32,780
haunted haunted Jewish wine cabinet and

1087
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:36,710
Oh a haunted Jewish wine cabinet

1088
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:39,740
speaking as somebody who comes from

1089
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:41,930
Brooklyn New York in a Jewish

1090
00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:42,530
neighborhood

1091
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:47,060
all right I'm curious okay inside the

1092
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:50,600
box is supposed to possess a adipic it's

1093
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,600
referred to as the Dybbuk box and while

1094
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:55,520
while doing some research the first day

1095
00:44:59,770 --> 00:44:56,900
I really did any head of your heavy

1096
00:45:01,780 --> 00:44:59,780
research but I went to visit the the

1097
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:01,790
gentleman who owns this and when I got

1098
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:05,420
back home in my small town in Northwest

1099
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:09,940
there was a car that pulled it in front

1100
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:13,100
of me and everywhere I was going it was

1101
00:45:16,810 --> 00:45:15,170
right in front of me it turned followed

1102
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:16,820
the same path but it was in front of me

1103
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:18,710
until at the very last second before I

1104
00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:19,940
went home it turned off and in the back

1105
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:21,800
written in the back window was I love

1106
00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:25,190
Jewish people and the Jewish population

1107
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:30,440
of my entire county is zero so is this

1108
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:32,150
some weird synchronous and he's telling

1109
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:35,330
me something if they were I think that

1110
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:37,490
the men in black were maybe after you or

1111
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:39,770
it could it have been some kind of trick

1112
00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:42,290
somebody's playing on you but nobody

1113
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:44,360
here other than my wife knows I'm

1114
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:47,450
researching the book you're not

1115
00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:50,210
considered oh that UFO paranormal guy

1116
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:53,060
they don't know that well yes I am I am

1117
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:55,190
that that the paranormal guy I'm the

1118
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:57,890
ghost guy and yeah in any area but but

1119
00:46:01,660 --> 00:45:59,630
but still that was that was something

1120
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:01,670
strange that you know I'm finally doing

1121
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,370
some some research on some specific item

1122
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:07,040
and nobody here knows about it and and I

1123
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:09,020
get that message when I come home I just

1124
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:10,450
found that pretty pretty interesting

1125
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:12,110
during the course of your investigation

1126
00:46:16,330 --> 00:46:14,450
did you get strange phone calls from

1127
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:16,340
people or think that somebody was

1128
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:17,690
following you I'm not trying to play

1129
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:23,540
paranoid here I'm just asking no okay so

1130
00:46:27,310 --> 00:46:25,640
nothing like the John geo phenomenon

1131
00:46:29,470 --> 00:46:27,320
where he would supposedly get strange

1132
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:29,480
phone calls and there was no double

1133
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:32,210
ganger of Jason Offit around somewhere

1134
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:35,870
where he's seen were you're not not that

1135
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:38,330
I know of and if he is he's probably

1136
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:40,090
having more fun than me I don't know

1137
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:42,710
he's collecting your book royalties I

1138
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:46,490
think all right let's look at another

1139
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:49,640
aspect of paranormal phenomena strange

1140
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,610
creatures Bigfoot weird cats whatever

1141
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:54,800
what kind of stuff do you find in your

1142
00:46:59,200 --> 00:46:57,320
backyard well what I was able to find in

1143
00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:59,210
my backyard were a couple of Bigfoot

1144
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:01,640
reports from st. Joseph Missouri the

1145
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:05,390
home of the home of the the Pony Express

1146
00:47:11,590 --> 00:47:08,150
and the death place of Jesse James

1147
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:11,600
one was from the 1930s in a in a logging

1148
00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:15,530
camp two young couples had moved to the

1149
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:18,440
area and they husbands got got jobs in

1150
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:20,870
logging camp and the women noticed well

1151
00:47:24,610 --> 00:47:21,530
all the men work

1152
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:24,620
on the strange smell and eventually they

1153
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:26,330
saw what was coming from which was a

1154
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:29,260
really large hairy man-like creature

1155
00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:31,970
this thing was was big enough to where

1156
00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:33,830
it would lean on the back of a very

1157
00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:36,470
large truck and prophets elbow up on the

1158
00:47:41,110 --> 00:47:38,360
doníts on the truck bed and was they

1159
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:41,120
they figured about nine feet tall and it

1160
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:42,290
would only come to camp when the men

1161
00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:45,410
were gone and the husbands of course

1162
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:46,940
didn't didn't believe a word of it

1163
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:52,010
and one one evening four so four

1164
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:54,020
Saturday evenings that they had had open

1165
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:56,390
all the guys decided to go into Saint

1166
00:48:01,570 --> 00:47:59,570
Joseph's and booze it up and one of the

1167
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:01,580
women being a newlywed was worried her

1168
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:03,710
husband was gonna go find some new girl

1169
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:06,050
and was crying on the front porch and

1170
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:08,450
she heard a creak on the wooden porch

1171
00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:09,650
and she thought her husband had come

1172
00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:11,300
home and she looked up and there was

1173
00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:13,340
this thing about a three feet from her

1174
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:15,950
and she started screaming and it ran

1175
00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:18,530
away eventually some men were in camp

1176
00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:20,750
and the fame came and they saw it and

1177
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:22,760
started you know they eventually chased

1178
00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:24,530
the thing off the thing could run faster

1179
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:26,360
than their dogs and it never came back

1180
00:48:31,450 --> 00:48:28,730
but it bothered one of the husbands so

1181
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:31,460
much that he quit his job he didn't want

1182
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:35,390
any part of people killing this thing

1183
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:36,770
because it looked too much like a man

1184
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:38,570
and and he eventually went on to become

1185
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:42,320
become a preacher the story was passed

1186
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:45,050
down to the two to the son and the

1187
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:47,510
grandson told me this story and he said

1188
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:48,980
he talked to his grandparents about it a

1189
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:50,570
number of times throughout his life and

1190
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,690
the story never changed one bit another

1191
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:55,520
Bigfoot encounter happened about the

1192
00:49:01,450 --> 00:48:57,590
same spot that it was in the early

1193
00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:01,460
nineteenth late 1960s early 1970s in in

1194
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:04,040
a park in st. Joe which has always

1195
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:06,470
fascinated me Bigfoot stories that

1196
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:09,470
happened near cities and st. Joe's not a

1197
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:11,270
huge city but its seventy five thousand

1198
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:13,010
people that's that's big enough I think

1199
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:16,010
to keep keep Bigfoot from wanting to

1200
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:17,870
hang around the outskirts of town it's a

1201
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:21,890
Bigfoot only goes to small towns wooded

1202
00:49:27,850 --> 00:49:24,710
areas places that are isolated there's a

1203
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:27,860
report number of reports from a suburb

1204
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:31,460
of st. Louis that it's wooded and

1205
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:32,930
there's there's a there's a river there

1206
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:35,390
that people have speculated that

1207
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,070
Bigfoot's there but the st. Louis is a

1208
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:39,200
fairly large city especially for the

1209
00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:42,470
Midwest and you know this thing that's

1210
00:49:48,490 --> 00:49:46,100
been seen that fascinates me I think I'd

1211
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:48,500
want to hide what do you think about

1212
00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:51,410
these stories Jason way you know some of

1213
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:53,960
these Bigfoot accounts and sightings and

1214
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:56,750
counties etc seem to have I guess sort

1215
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,020
of quasi paranormal overtones to them I

1216
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:02,000
mean one of the things I've fair which I

1217
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:04,370
don't discount is that sometimes when

1218
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:06,230
you look into these weird animal cases

1219
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:08,030
but they actually do seem to veer

1220
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:10,490
towards more towards the paranormal than

1221
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:12,770
they do literal flesh-and-blood animals

1222
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:14,510
and wonder if you come across something

1223
00:50:18,940 --> 00:50:16,670
similar to that I in my research I

1224
00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:18,950
haven't I have read quite a bit about it

1225
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:19,820
you know

1226
00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:22,430
Bigfoot encounters happening the same

1227
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:24,470
time of UFO encounters you know

1228
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:26,510
somebody's following Bigfoot tracks and

1229
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:29,990
they just disappear and in air those

1230
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:31,970
sort of things and I really don't

1231
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:34,910
discount a whole lot since you know we

1232
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:36,950
don't have a body we don't we don't know

1233
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:39,380
exactly you know what Bigfoot is I can't

1234
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,810
discount that we're going to move on

1235
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:43,760
with this in our next section by the way

1236
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:45,260
in the next section of the power cast

1237
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:48,140
we're going to read messages from the

1238
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:50,510
power cast forums from listeners like

1239
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:53,570
you where they ask whatever they want up

1240
00:50:58,930 --> 00:50:56,540
Jason offic and he's going to answer

1241
00:51:00,460 --> 00:50:58,940
them it's not an ambush it's just going

1242
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:00,470
to ask the questions and see what kind

1243
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:02,360
of responses we get you can check out

1244
00:51:05,170 --> 00:51:04,100
our forums that form down to the power

1245
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:05,180
cast com

1246
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:06,230
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1247
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:07,880
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1248
00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:10,250
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1250
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:14,420
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1251
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:17,030
power cast team here's what you do if

1252
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1253
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and marketing and maybe even broadcast

1254
00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:23,210
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1255
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1256
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1257
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1258
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:32,750
cast comm that's sales at the power cast

1259
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:35,930
calm our guest Jason Offutt he has

1260
00:51:39,310 --> 00:51:37,070
written a book called what will lurks

1261
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:39,320
beyond the paranormal in your backyard

1262
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:41,990
the co-host is Nick Redfern I'm gene

1263
00:51:52,070 --> 00:51:49,420
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1279
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1280
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1281
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1282
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1283
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,340
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1284
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:31,200
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1285
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:32,670
stating a central bank issuing the

1286
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:34,290
public currency is a greater menace to

1287
00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:35,430
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1288
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:36,870
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1289
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:38,310
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1290
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1291
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1292
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1293
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1294
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:57,120
back to the pair cast the gold standard

1295
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:00,540
of paranormal radio and now here's gene

1296
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:12,730
we returned for the second hour of our

1297
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:15,770
session with Jason Offutt he's author of

1298
00:53:20,350 --> 00:53:17,780
what lurks beyond the paranormal in your

1299
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:20,360
backyard Nick Redfern is your co-host

1300
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:22,520
I'm gene Steinberg you're always in the

1301
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:23,990
power cast even when you're not in the

1302
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:25,400
power cast because that's what the

1303
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:27,530
paranormal is all about so here's what I

1304
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:30,770
did folks I put a forum message up at

1305
00:53:34,540 --> 00:53:33,020
forum dot to the power cast comm and I

1306
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:34,550
said hey you got a question for Jason

1307
00:53:39,010 --> 00:53:36,650
and some of our people by the way I've

1308
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:39,020
actually read his books but I'm gonna

1309
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,140
hit Jason with these questions you're

1310
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:44,960
already from I am and your listeners

1311
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:46,130
sound like good people they've already

1312
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:49,010
read my books okay so therefore we'll

1313
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:51,650
have good questions one of our questions

1314
00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:54,050
comes from Angelo he's one of our forum

1315
00:53:57,790 --> 00:53:55,640
moderators he's also somewhat of a

1316
00:54:00,370 --> 00:53:57,800
skeptic a lot of these things he says

1317
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,380
I'd love to know if he has anything with

1318
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:02,480
regards to actual proof that he can

1319
00:54:08,170 --> 00:54:04,790
provide something that can change the

1320
00:54:10,570 --> 00:54:08,180
mind of a skeptic like me he says he

1321
00:54:13,210 --> 00:54:10,580
lives in an area near Quebec Mont

1322
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:13,220
saint-hilaire that supposedly has weird

1323
00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:15,650
things going on so okay can you change

1324
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:19,820
Angelo's mind Jason no and and and

1325
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:22,670
here's here's why people who are really

1326
00:54:26,350 --> 00:54:24,770
looking for that kind of proof unless

1327
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:26,360
they experience something themselves or

1328
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:28,730
their minds not not going to change I've

1329
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:31,400
got a couple of friends who are who are

1330
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:33,290
scientists which is really one of the

1331
00:54:36,610 --> 00:54:35,000
cool things about working at a

1332
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:36,620
university and go down to the local bar

1333
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:39,500
and drink beer with scientists but they

1334
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:41,870
are also involved with the paranormal

1335
00:54:47,470 --> 00:54:45,170
and they want to prove it the problem is

1336
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:47,480
in order to prove something and get it

1337
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:48,890
out of the realm of the paranormal you

1338
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:51,050
need repeatability and you're not going

1339
00:54:54,970 --> 00:54:53,210
to see a ghost at the same place night

1340
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:54,980
after night after night after night and

1341
00:54:58,570 --> 00:54:56,690
be able to register it on any sort of

1342
00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,580
scientific equipment you know with

1343
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:00,740
regularity so it's one of those things

1344
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:03,620
until we get a body until we're holding

1345
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:07,070
you know an extraterrestrial artifact or

1346
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:10,760
you know have a ghost in in some kind of

1347
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:12,590
some kind of you know ghostbusters

1348
00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:13,850
containment unit

1349
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:15,590
you know skeptics like that are not

1350
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:17,960
going to be going to be going to change

1351
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:19,460
their mind unless they personally

1352
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:21,230
experience something is that maybe

1353
00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:22,270
saying that we can

1354
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:24,360
to prove any of this no I think I think

1355
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,730
things can get proven I mean it a lot of

1356
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:30,400
things we take for granted today is you

1357
00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:32,890
know was unknown at some point the

1358
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:35,080
Telegraph when newspaper accounts came

1359
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,780
out of the Telegraph back in 1844 the

1360
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:40,480
readers thought yes this is this is you

1361
00:55:44,370 --> 00:55:42,130
know this is just a bunch of bunk it's a

1362
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,380
bunch of hooey this is impossible but

1363
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,480
eventually when the thing got widespread

1364
00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:48,540
use and people saw it for their own eyes

1365
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:52,120
you know it was no longer bunk so you

1366
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:54,250
know when when things are scientifically

1367
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:56,170
proven then people are going to be not

1368
00:55:59,850 --> 00:55:57,970
that not believers of course because I

1369
00:56:00,540 --> 00:55:59,860
don't have to be people will just know

1370
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:00,550
that it's true

1371
00:56:06,270 --> 00:56:03,780
that's not paranormal it is normal right

1372
00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:06,280
okay question from someone who calls

1373
00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:08,740
himself Blowfish a regular visitor to

1374
00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:10,780
our forums he has two questions the

1375
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:13,420
first why do you think paranormal events

1376
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,060
happen in such confined places as homes

1377
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:18,160
bedrooms and gardens and he refers to

1378
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:20,590
abductions poltergeists and sightings

1379
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:23,110
etc why because that's where people are

1380
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,350
they probably happen all the time out in

1381
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:27,520
the backyard in the middle of the night

1382
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:29,260
where nobody is or out in the woods out

1383
00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:31,510
on top of a very lonely mountain but

1384
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:34,180
we're not there and that's that's why

1385
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:35,860
that's why people see them in their

1386
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,660
bedrooms because well that's where

1387
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:40,480
people are at night so then it's the

1388
00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:42,520
same with when people ask me why do you

1389
00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:43,900
know why do strange things happen at

1390
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:46,060
night well that's because it's dark and

1391
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:47,650
quiet and we're paying more attention to

1392
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:49,120
things around us things probably

1393
00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:50,560
happened during the day all the time

1394
00:56:55,650 --> 00:56:53,380
it's just we've got our you know our

1395
00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:55,660
iPods going or we're driving somewhere

1396
00:56:59,010 --> 00:56:57,220
and just don't notice them and I hope

1397
00:57:01,530 --> 00:56:59,020
they don't have their iPhones and iPods

1398
00:57:02,850 --> 00:57:01,540
and iPads going in such a way that while

1399
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:02,860
they're driving they don't pay attention

1400
00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:07,660
to the road but then what can I say but

1401
00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:11,070
that's also maybe a reason maybe to have

1402
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,420
cameras or something set up in areas

1403
00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:16,000
where things happen to see if you can

1404
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:17,380
capture something I know Christopher

1405
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:18,970
O'Brien one of our other co-hosts

1406
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:21,160
has tried to do that what do you think

1407
00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:23,020
of that kind of investigative technique

1408
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:26,560
well cameras I mean before before

1409
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:29,740
Photoshop or Photoshop I would trust

1410
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:32,890
photographic evidence now I I don't I've

1411
00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:35,500
got students who can who can make

1412
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:36,280
anything

1413
00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:39,130
on oh no and you know still photos or

1414
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:41,740
video that look believable so I don't I

1415
00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:43,210
don't trust any sort of photography

1416
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:45,100
whatsoever let's look at the follow-up

1417
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:46,930
question what's your most terrifying

1418
00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:49,570
experiences when encountering your

1419
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:52,630
research and have these and this is what

1420
00:57:56,910 --> 00:57:54,850
he says strange awareness followed you

1421
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,920
home so that's like a multi-part

1422
00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:58,960
question terrifying experiences and

1423
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:01,480
whether something has followed you home

1424
00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:04,420
so let's go to both parts okay I'm going

1425
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:07,120
to address the second one first one of

1426
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:09,100
the things that I don't do is

1427
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:10,990
investigate the paranormal I'm not a

1428
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:12,790
paranormal investigator I don't run

1429
00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:15,850
around with you know equipment the only

1430
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:18,340
equipment I have is a notebook a pen a

1431
00:58:23,730 --> 00:58:22,090
camera and in a tape recorder those are

1432
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:23,740
the tools of a journalist so that's how

1433
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:26,530
I approach things because yeah things if

1434
00:58:30,450 --> 00:58:28,510
you go out looking for them they're

1435
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:30,460
gonna find you and my wife specifically

1436
00:58:34,350 --> 00:58:33,010
said Jason I really I want you to do

1437
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:34,360
this because you really enjoy it but do

1438
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,240
not bring your work home god brand UFOs

1439
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:40,000
Bigfoot or ghosts home either or don't

1440
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:42,190
have had the men in black in for a cup

1441
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:44,890
of tea no I so I've not had anything

1442
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:47,230
follow me home and what kind of tea do

1443
00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:50,110
the men in black even like you know I'm

1444
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:51,600
not sure but they'll drink what I have

1445
00:58:56,910 --> 00:58:55,690
they have no choice right a little gray

1446
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,920
in the cabinet so that's that's what

1447
00:59:02,790 --> 00:58:59,440
they're gonna get so the former now

1448
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:02,800
about terrifying experiences I really

1449
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,080
haven't had terrifying experiences I've

1450
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,880
gone places to where I've been

1451
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:11,920
uncomfortable I I really don't get

1452
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:14,500
scared because I don't think any of this

1453
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:16,510
stuff can really really hurt me Bigfoot

1454
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:18,940
on the other hand yes but but ghosts and

1455
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:20,770
things like that I don't really think

1456
00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:22,270
they could hurt me so so I don't I don't

1457
00:59:26,910 --> 00:59:24,040
get scared I go to cemeteries at 2:00 in

1458
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:26,920
the morning I I hang out at midnight at

1459
00:59:32,420 --> 00:59:30,160
the place somebody hanged themselves in

1460
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:32,430
an infinite Victorian mansion back in

1461
00:59:39,630 --> 00:59:35,370
1894 and it's I I experienced nothing

1462
00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:39,640
the only major things that have happened

1463
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:42,070
have been strange cold spots

1464
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:47,490
I heard out of a completely empty room

1465
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,870
the word Stratton screen

1466
00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:52,720
and in a house that's purportedly

1467
00:59:57,930 --> 00:59:55,630
haunted and there was a guy with me

1468
00:59:59,460 --> 00:59:57,940
named Stratton who was in the in the

1469
01:00:01,590 --> 00:59:59,470
other room and I could hear him he was

1470
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:01,600
yelling at the ghosts come out you come

1471
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:04,090
out you're afraid to face me so that

1472
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:07,030
wasn't terrifying it was just weird and

1473
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:08,890
he wouldn't come out that cowardly ghost

1474
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,980
that cowardly ghost we have to worry

1475
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:12,880
about that let's move to another

1476
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:15,130
question from the forum's forum dr.

1477
01:00:19,290 --> 01:00:17,650
power cast calm Shaunie one of our

1478
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:19,300
regulars and she's been on the show by

1479
01:00:24,270 --> 01:00:21,310
the way she's really a great lady from

1480
01:00:26,330 --> 01:00:24,280
the UK and she says I find Jason off its

1481
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:26,340
reports on the black eyed people

1482
01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:29,050
phenomenon interesting therefore the

1483
01:00:32,550 --> 01:00:30,580
three-part question I would be really

1484
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:32,560
interested to know what his personal

1485
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:34,630
thoughts are on the origins of these

1486
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:36,610
reports does he believe genuine

1487
01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:39,550
non-human entities to be involved if so

1488
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:41,620
what sort of entity does he think they

1489
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:43,480
might be and here's the fourth part

1490
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,180
what's the earliest record he has of

1491
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:48,160
this phenomenon being reported from

1492
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:50,110
Shawnee well I needed to take notes on

1493
01:01:00,540 --> 01:00:55,930
that the okay the origins you know what

1494
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:00,550
these things are I'm not you know I I'm

1495
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,230
not sure I've talked to some people who

1496
01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:05,200
claim to know I've talked to people who

1497
01:01:09,620 --> 01:01:06,790
are I've talked to one person who claims

1498
01:01:13,590 --> 01:01:09,630
to be one of these entities this person

1499
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:13,600
has told me that that black eyed people

1500
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,450
look like us they have regular eyes

1501
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:18,880
until they you know get into a

1502
01:01:21,930 --> 01:01:20,320
heightened emotional state and their

1503
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:21,940
eyes will change black and they'll of

1504
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:24,910
terrifying people and that they're an

1505
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:28,210
offshoot of that their race is an

1506
01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:30,070
offshoot of Eve when she mated with the

1507
01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:32,980
serpent in the bible-- antenna sin the

1508
01:01:38,910 --> 01:01:36,340
Bible that's that person's explanation

1509
01:01:42,270 --> 01:01:38,920
as to what what black eyed people are to

1510
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,280
me their behavior seems demonic if you

1511
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:45,280
go and go in for that sort of thing but

1512
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,110
as to what they are 100 percent I don't

1513
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:49,200
know but they are they're terrifying

1514
01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:53,130
there have been a lot of people who have

1515
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:55,660
you know who poo pooed the whole thing

1516
01:02:01,110 --> 01:01:57,850
is a misidentification which would some

1517
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:01,120
of them very well could be of you know

1518
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:03,210
medical medical problem or

1519
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,089
drug use and I've interviewed a lot of a

1520
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:07,920
lot of professionals not professional

1521
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:10,530
drug users but biochemists and

1522
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:14,760
physicians and any case that the pupil

1523
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:16,260
gets huge it will not do what a

1524
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:17,970
black-eyed kids are supposed to do which

1525
01:02:22,790 --> 01:02:21,119
is cover the entire entire eye it almost

1526
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:22,800
sounds like the science fiction movies

1527
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:24,690
and we'll explore the rest of the answer

1528
01:02:28,579 --> 01:02:26,190
to that question for Shawnee

1529
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,589
in just a moment we have Jason Offutt

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he's author of what books beyond the

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here I thank God it's not mine I'm gene

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01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:30,760
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1647
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:34,390
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1648
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:37,150
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1649
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:39,849
backyard I'm Jean Steinberg on the power

1650
01:07:44,790 --> 01:07:42,609
cast we are looking at listener

1651
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:44,800
questions at forum dot the para cast

1652
01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:46,900
comm Shawnee was asking a multi-part

1653
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:49,540
question about the black eyed people and

1654
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,910
I was asking also about the fact that

1655
01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:53,680
this is what you see in horror films the

1656
01:07:58,319 --> 01:07:56,200
pupils are either all black or all white

1657
01:08:00,660 --> 01:07:58,329
right right see well the black there

1658
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:00,670
there are black contact lenses that they

1659
01:08:05,579 --> 01:08:02,710
use makeup people use and in those

1660
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:05,589
horror movies I did a fairly extensive

1661
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:08,140
article for nexus magazine on black-eyed

1662
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,690
kids back in back in the spring and I

1663
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:13,119
interviewed people who have used those

1664
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:15,369
black contact lenses and and black-eyed

1665
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,230
kids reports or anywhere from

1666
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:19,359
seven-year-old seven-year-old little

1667
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:22,089
girls to to people in their 20s in

1668
01:08:26,729 --> 01:08:24,370
interviewing somebody who bought a pair

1669
01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:26,739
of black contact lenses told me there's

1670
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,989
no way anybody until they're like in

1671
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,880
their late teens would be able to stand

1672
01:08:34,979 --> 01:08:32,799
having them on they're extremely

1673
01:08:37,559 --> 01:08:34,989
uncomfortable they're really difficult

1674
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:37,569
to put in and they pop out all the time

1675
01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:41,199
so so some of that as an excuse as to as

1676
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,670
to this is what black-eyed kids are

1677
01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:44,799
people playing jokes it could be the

1678
01:08:48,930 --> 01:08:46,630
case and in some of the cases of the

1679
01:08:50,579 --> 01:08:48,940
older kids but the younger ones know and

1680
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:50,589
and and beside you need to have

1681
01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:53,020
prescriptions and they cost about 300

1682
01:08:57,930 --> 01:08:55,180
bucks lens and young kids aren't

1683
01:09:01,890 --> 01:08:57,940
spending 300 bucks a lens to just have

1684
01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:01,900
black eyes which kids might maybe baby

1685
01:09:07,070 --> 01:09:05,020
yeah so what's the earliest record of

1686
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,080
this phenomenon I haven't got anything

1687
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:09,520
documented I've talked talked to people

1688
01:09:11,729 --> 01:09:11,290
who've said yeah I heard back in you

1689
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:11,739
know back

1690
01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:14,049
today but the the earliest documented

1691
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,659
case only goes back to about 1998 it

1692
01:09:20,459 --> 01:09:18,880
occurred in in Arlington Texas a guy

1693
01:09:23,009 --> 01:09:20,469
named Brian Bethel who was a newspaper

1694
01:09:25,589 --> 01:09:23,019
reporter wrote an encounter that he that

1695
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:25,599
he had he'd pulled into a strip mall two

1696
01:09:30,539 --> 01:09:28,480
at night fairly late at night to pay his

1697
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:30,549
cable bill he had gonna slip in the mail

1698
01:09:34,979 --> 01:09:32,409
slot and when he was sitting in his car

1699
01:09:37,589 --> 01:09:34,989
making out a check to teenage boys about

1700
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:37,599
14 or 15 wearing hoodies came up to his

1701
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:39,369
the door of his window and or the door

1702
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:41,049
of his car and said you got to let us

1703
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:42,489
say and you got to gonna take us back to

1704
01:09:46,559 --> 01:09:43,960
our house we need money for the movies

1705
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:46,569
then he felt automatically like he had

1706
01:09:51,209 --> 01:09:48,730
to open the door and he was reaching for

1707
01:09:52,589 --> 01:09:51,219
the door to unlock it when he looked at

1708
01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:52,599
the kids and saw that their eyes were

1709
01:09:56,850 --> 01:09:53,980
completely black and they were still

1710
01:09:59,549 --> 01:09:56,860
insisting for him to let let them in and

1711
01:10:01,080 --> 01:09:59,559
he just felt stark terror and tore the

1712
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,090
heck out of there and as he was driving

1713
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:02,800
away he looked back and there was no

1714
01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:04,449
nobody standing where they should have

1715
01:10:07,709 --> 01:10:05,710
been standing there was no place for

1716
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:07,719
them to hide either I talked to this guy

1717
01:10:12,839 --> 01:10:10,570
about about six months ago and he said

1718
01:10:14,339 --> 01:10:12,849
you know happen in 1998 and it still

1719
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:14,349
scares the hell out of him but but

1720
01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:15,940
that's the first really documented

1721
01:10:19,739 --> 01:10:17,980
documented case we have Nick you've

1722
01:10:21,629 --> 01:10:19,749
covered a lot of different things in

1723
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:21,639
your writing career did you ever find a

1724
01:10:25,799 --> 01:10:24,130
black eyed person you know actually

1725
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:25,809
haven't have read about them in various

1726
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,090
magazines and publications and obviously

1727
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:29,679
you know in this sort of work that Gore

1728
01:10:33,689 --> 01:10:32,050
Jason's done I dunno you know some

1729
01:10:35,629 --> 01:10:33,699
people who go down that path sort of

1730
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:35,639
speculate about the whole issue of

1731
01:10:39,810 --> 01:10:38,289
alien-human hybrids and things like that

1732
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:39,820
I mean you know but then again you have

1733
01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:41,710
these sort of paranormal overtones and

1734
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:44,440
supernatural aspects as well so so who

1735
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:46,409
knows I think you know it's like a

1736
01:10:51,209 --> 01:10:49,329
certain phenomena or the black-eyed kids

1737
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:51,219
it almost seems to come out of nowhere

1738
01:10:54,839 --> 01:10:53,530
you know one minute we're due and we're

1739
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:54,849
just the things have always been with us

1740
01:11:00,000 --> 01:10:57,369
Bigfoot ghosts etc and then something

1741
01:11:01,890 --> 01:11:00,010
I'll just sort of you know shake things

1742
01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:01,900
up and there'll be a new phenomenon you

1743
01:11:05,819 --> 01:11:03,670
know in the same way there in the crypto

1744
01:11:07,859 --> 01:11:05,829
field that the chupacabra pretty much

1745
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:07,869
surfaced out of nowhere back in the

1746
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:10,300
1990s you know we suddenly get these

1747
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:12,670
spontaneous developments now whether

1748
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:14,590
it's just the people noticing them more

1749
01:11:18,419 --> 01:11:16,690
and that's a possibility and when people

1750
01:11:20,069 --> 01:11:18,429
talk about them more than other people

1751
01:11:21,569 --> 01:11:20,079
realize hey you know that's actually

1752
01:11:22,799 --> 01:11:21,579
what I saw so they're being speaking

1753
01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:22,809
about it I think that's a possibility

1754
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:25,240
but equally you know I think there are

1755
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:26,620
there is something to be said for the

1756
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:28,690
idea that occasionally things like these

1757
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:32,590
black-eyed Kaede stories just seem to

1758
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,340
indicate maybe that the but the

1759
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:37,360
spontaneous generation of a new

1760
01:11:41,730 --> 01:11:39,910
phenomenon or something do you think

1761
01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:41,740
Jason that maybe just talking about

1762
01:11:45,930 --> 01:11:43,780
events over and over again may trigger

1763
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:45,940
some of them to happen I guess we get

1764
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:48,120
back into the John keel realm they're

1765
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:51,790
given my background I'm I'm skeptic in

1766
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:53,170
the in the true sense of the word it's

1767
01:11:57,450 --> 01:11:55,210
not that I matically try and discount

1768
01:12:00,300 --> 01:11:57,460
things I don't but I try and look at the

1769
01:12:01,710 --> 01:12:00,310
evidence first and to me looking at

1770
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:01,720
illogically that doesn't make a lot of

1771
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:03,850
sense to me but the more the more I do

1772
01:12:08,190 --> 01:12:06,580
and the more I've done research it's

1773
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,200
making a little bit more a little bit

1774
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:10,000
more sense I have here a sceptical

1775
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:11,680
question okay so it's gonna be

1776
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:13,570
complicated so you'll have to take notes

1777
01:12:17,220 --> 01:12:14,890
and maybe we'll have to take this to

1778
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:17,230
another segment of the show the name of

1779
01:12:25,290 --> 01:12:20,350
the poster uses the alias Piggy's beef

1780
01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:25,300
trousers okay here we go

1781
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:27,940
I found Jason's shadow people book quite

1782
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,070
frustrating from what I remember it

1783
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:32,320
mainly came across as a bunch of scary

1784
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:35,170
Halloween stories with no real substance

1785
01:12:39,150 --> 01:12:37,450
to any of it enjoyable enough but

1786
01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:39,160
lightweight okay that's the criticism

1787
01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:40,300
now he says these are the questions

1788
01:12:45,570 --> 01:12:42,700
multiple questions could you please ask

1789
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:45,580
him what lengths he goes to to check his

1790
01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:47,860
sources and the background to people's

1791
01:12:51,660 --> 01:12:49,960
accounts and whether he's had any

1792
01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:51,670
experiences himself well that's answered

1793
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:54,550
already his journalistic background has

1794
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:56,170
led to a style of writing that I

1795
01:13:00,450 --> 01:12:58,110
sometimes feel perhaps unfairly

1796
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:00,460
concentrates on creating a good story

1797
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:02,830
ahead of presenting convincing evidence

1798
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,140
in detail so there's actually one

1799
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,360
question with a lot of commentary Jason

1800
01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:10,480
well about about it just seems like a

1801
01:13:16,050 --> 01:13:13,960
bunch of a bunch of Halloween stories I

1802
01:13:18,020 --> 01:13:16,060
guess maybe they skip the part where I

1803
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:18,030
interviewed like a psychiatrist

1804
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:21,900
physicists experts and Hinduism Buddhism

1805
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:25,930
Islam Christianity American Indian

1806
01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:29,890
shamanism The Exorcist I interviewed all

1807
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:32,980
of this research I did too to try and

1808
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:35,800
answer the question in different in

1809
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:37,210
different religions and different

1810
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:39,010
cultures what these is what the show

1811
01:13:45,150 --> 01:13:42,070
no people entities entities are and I

1812
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,160
found that these entities are in every

1813
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:47,440
belief system every religious belief

1814
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:49,090
system and they're all about the same

1815
01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:52,630
type of entity they're all all all dark

1816
01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:54,670
foreboding and are considered considered

1817
01:13:59,880 --> 01:13:57,340
evil except in Hinduism they're they're

1818
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:59,890
considered spirits going from one realm

1819
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:01,600
to the other yeah there are a lot of

1820
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:03,850
stories in there but I did quite a bit

1821
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,010
of research also in any way back back to

1822
01:14:11,070 --> 01:14:08,320
the what length do I go to to check my

1823
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:11,080
sources the experts I make sure they are

1824
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:13,930
who they are of the people who are who I

1825
01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:16,330
talk to about about stories that they've

1826
01:14:20,820 --> 01:14:18,820
you know their own experiences that's

1827
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:20,830
their experiences it's what I don't

1828
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:22,030
really I can't really do a background

1829
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:24,730
check on you know the trucker from Ohio

1830
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:27,730
who saw shadow people sitting in the cab

1831
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:29,860
of his truck so you can't necessarily go

1832
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:31,690
and give these people all lie-detector

1833
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:34,120
tests which may be what some people want

1834
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:36,010
right yeah I can't I can't go sit down

1835
01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:37,330
and have a beer with everybody I talked

1836
01:14:41,070 --> 01:14:38,920
to it might be fun

1837
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:41,080
it might be fun and you'll get very

1838
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:44,110
drunk yeah you get very drunk though

1839
01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:45,730
doing that right and you have to drive

1840
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:47,500
back home at night right I wouldn't want

1841
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:49,600
one of them to they see shadow people

1842
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:51,820
oh yes be very complicated well I was

1843
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:53,350
just saying man right man go back to

1844
01:14:57,150 --> 01:14:55,090
something someone you Nick Nick it said

1845
01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:57,160
earlier about when we were talking about

1846
01:15:01,200 --> 01:14:59,110
black-eyed kids and and do they just

1847
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:01,210
appear out of nowhere and something he

1848
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,710
said it is something that I think

1849
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:04,750
completely and only I'm relating this to

1850
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:07,120
shadow people is that we started the

1851
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:08,860
media started or at least the paranormal

1852
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:10,270
media started talking about shadow

1853
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:12,610
people in the in the mid-90s and when

1854
01:15:17,460 --> 01:15:15,010
art bell you know became fascinated with

1855
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:17,470
it well I had seen shadow people when I

1856
01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:19,690
was a child back in the in the mid 70s

1857
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:22,060
and that's what in my mind I called them

1858
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:23,650
because that's what they looked like on

1859
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:26,110
table began to shadow people in more

1860
01:15:31,740 --> 01:15:28,780
detail in our next segment we have Jason

1861
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:31,750
Offutt author of what lurks beyond the

1862
01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:34,390
paranormal in your backyard our co-host

1863
01:15:39,810 --> 01:15:37,240
is Nick Redfern and once we explore the

1864
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:39,820
shadow people he'll take over the

1865
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:42,430
segment I'm Jean Steinberg Gurian the

1866
01:15:50,350 --> 01:15:43,810
past

1867
01:15:56,540 --> 01:15:54,410
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

1868
01:15:59,060 --> 01:15:56,550
creatures from the darkest corners of

1869
01:16:01,880 --> 01:15:59,070
the mind roam the earth is there

1870
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:01,890
evidence for mind control time travel or

1871
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:05,550
devious government conspiracies find out

1872
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1911
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1912
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1913
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1914
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parents students and children you need a

1915
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nice safe bag loud noise and I can see a

1916
01:18:06,580 --> 01:18:04,700
flashing in the backpack the sound was

1917
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:06,590
different than a car alarm so it was a

1918
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:08,510
different sound so we look to see what

1919
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it was I think it's a great idea

1920
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1921
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that looks normal until you pull the pin

1922
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I say bag emits two powerful sirens and

1923
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a high intensity strobe lights Amal

1924
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taneous Lee to attract immediate help

1925
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having the I safe bag gives me a feeling

1926
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,710
of being safe because I know when I pull

1927
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the alarm people will hear and they'll

1928
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come and help me for mobile personal

1929
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security get the I safe bag and I safe

1930
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:34,940
bags calm that's the letter I sa Fe bags

1931
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:38,810
calm i safe bags calm I think God that

1932
01:18:41,980 --> 01:18:40,250
she had that backpack and she had enough

1933
01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:41,990
sense to use it it's like having a

1934
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:43,700
bodyguard with you all the time the I

1935
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safe bag the patented bag with a

1936
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:47,600
built-in alarm available at I safe bags

1937
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1939
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1940
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make your own few

1941
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with revenue or calm don't laugh

1942
01:19:01,550 --> 01:18:59,489
equality still from revenue or calm and

1943
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:01,560
our free book included with every still

1944
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,630
is all you need to beat the high cost of

1945
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1946
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1947
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1949
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com find quality alcohol stills did

1950
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:21,420
somebody say stills

1951
01:19:26,030 --> 01:19:23,489
that's how grand Pappy made its own sour

1952
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:26,040
mash and you can to revenuer stills can

1953
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be used to make Brandy's liquors whiskey

1954
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:30,510
vodka and more all perfectly legal with

1955
01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:32,370
a permit you should check into having

1956
01:19:35,150 --> 01:19:34,380
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1957
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1959
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1960
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and alcohol stills bringing you the best

1961
01:20:00,220 --> 01:19:54,420
in alternative talk radio for over 10

1962
01:20:22,850 --> 01:20:00,230
years GCN great talk radio starts here

1963
01:20:33,220 --> 01:20:30,480
[Music]

1964
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:33,230
we have Jason Offutt author of what

1965
01:20:37,570 --> 01:20:34,880
lurks beyond the paranormal in your

1966
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:37,580
backyard new book covering events within

1967
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:39,050
a hundred miles of his home in Missouri

1968
01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:41,510
and so he's from Missouri so he's got to

1969
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:44,390
be a skeptical type right exactly Nick

1970
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,010
Redfern is the co-host some gene

1971
01:20:51,220 --> 01:20:48,320
Steinberg you're in the power cast okay

1972
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:51,230
shadow people do we equate shadow people

1973
01:20:56,590 --> 01:20:53,510
with the black eyed people are they

1974
01:20:58,570 --> 01:20:56,600
almost the same no I found nothing that

1975
01:21:00,340 --> 01:20:58,580
that equates them what what what I was

1976
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:00,350
kind of saying before before the break

1977
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:02,810
is the fact that I think a lot of these

1978
01:21:07,570 --> 01:21:05,570
a lot of these you know different type

1979
01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:07,580
of entities that just make it to the

1980
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:09,830
mainstream have been with us it's just

1981
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,690
people haven't talked about it or people

1982
01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:13,280
think there's something else or where

1983
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:15,080
people are afraid to talk about it until

1984
01:21:18,610 --> 01:21:16,490
they hear a report and go hey wait a

1985
01:21:20,590 --> 01:21:18,620
second I saw that it's okay for me to

1986
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,600
talk about it now which is what happened

1987
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:21,920
with shadow people I think is what's

1988
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:23,090
starting to happen with the black-eyed

1989
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:24,800
kids one of the things I wanted to ask

1990
01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:26,690
you were Jason do you think there's any

1991
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:28,340
sort of correlations or parallels

1992
01:21:33,070 --> 01:21:30,770
between the shadow people and some of

1993
01:21:35,410 --> 01:21:33,080
the more paranormal standing men in

1994
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:35,420
black reports the people like Barker and

1995
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:37,610
kale use to talk about not not the

1996
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:40,550
notion of government agents you know who

1997
01:21:45,940 --> 01:21:43,310
I'm to dressing in suits but sort of the

1998
01:21:47,860 --> 01:21:45,950
weirder men in black stories I really

1999
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:47,870
haven't seen any any correlation at all

2000
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:49,520
except for there's one type of shadow

2001
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:53,120
person who appears to be wearing a suit

2002
01:21:59,650 --> 01:21:56,480
in fedora of course black men in black

2003
01:22:01,000 --> 01:21:59,660
have you know clearer definition you

2004
01:22:03,070 --> 01:22:01,010
know you can you know they they have

2005
01:22:05,890 --> 01:22:03,080
skin tone albeit really really really

2006
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:05,900
white shadow people are just looked like

2007
01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:09,310
cookie cutters their complete silhouette

2008
01:22:14,980 --> 01:22:12,950
and shadow people behavior is ranges

2009
01:22:17,170 --> 01:22:14,990
anywhere from what I refer to as benign

2010
01:22:19,660 --> 01:22:17,180
shadow people not saying that they are

2011
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:19,670
benign but whoever notices them the

2012
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:21,650
shadow people don't seem to see them

2013
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:23,810
just going from point A to point B and

2014
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:25,400
they just happen to be walking through

2015
01:22:31,570 --> 01:22:27,980
somebody's house to do it it ranges from

2016
01:22:32,740 --> 01:22:31,580
that to the shadow people who loom into

2017
01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:32,750
your room in the middle of the afternoon

2018
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,150
and stare at you with blazing red eyes

2019
01:22:38,910 --> 01:22:37,280
or you will wake up in the middle of the

2020
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:38,920
night and it will be staring at you and

2021
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:42,170
the person who encounters them feels you

2022
01:22:46,090 --> 01:22:45,050
know feels just a stark fear that

2023
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:46,100
they've never felt before

2024
01:22:52,090 --> 01:22:48,050
and get the impression that the shadow

2025
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,100
person is enjoying that encounter so it

2026
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:54,560
seems a lot more like you know it could

2027
01:22:59,140 --> 01:22:56,449
be could a lot of cases could be a ghost

2028
01:23:00,820 --> 01:22:59,150
a lot of cases could be you know

2029
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:00,830
something something wicked something

2030
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:02,330
something demonic for lack of a better

2031
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:05,210
term but it's something you know

2032
01:23:09,970 --> 01:23:08,480
sentient and ready to you know threaten

2033
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:09,980
somebody about their UFO encounter I

2034
01:23:12,850 --> 01:23:11,650
don't think they have any correlation

2035
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:12,860
okay

2036
01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:15,110
and what was it but sort of prompted you

2037
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:17,870
to write a book about that I mean to

2038
01:23:22,090 --> 01:23:19,880
subject that I think people heard about

2039
01:23:24,459 --> 01:23:22,100
but you know nobody sort of really dealt

2040
01:23:26,649 --> 01:23:24,469
with it to an in-depth level before the

2041
01:23:28,510 --> 01:23:26,659
show - Casey you know it's just a case

2042
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,520
that you'd found a lot of reports and

2043
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:31,040
decided to collate them well it did

2044
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:33,650
happen to dig all goes back to like I

2045
01:23:38,890 --> 01:23:35,449
said know in in the mid seventies when I

2046
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:38,900
saw these and a kid I I could look I

2047
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:41,810
grew up in in in the country and we

2048
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,270
could leave our window blinds open all

2049
01:23:48,939 --> 01:23:45,920
the time because there were no houses

2050
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:48,949
around and and it was always bright for

2051
01:23:52,750 --> 01:23:50,570
a neat for a night in my room it was

2052
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,760
great I could I can see the books on my

2053
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:54,320
shelf I could see you've seen my dresser

2054
01:23:57,450 --> 01:23:55,520
I could see the end of the bed I could

2055
01:24:00,669 --> 01:23:57,460
see my Farrah Fawcett poster on the wall

2056
01:24:04,090 --> 01:24:00,679
so I could see everything really really

2057
01:24:05,890 --> 01:24:04,100
clearly and one night I saw one corner

2058
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:05,900
you're really black in my room and this

2059
01:24:10,209 --> 01:24:08,239
human-shaped shadow walked out of it and

2060
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:10,219
walked by my bed and walk into the

2061
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:12,230
hallway and for the next six to eight

2062
01:24:16,180 --> 01:24:14,570
months this kept happening sometimes

2063
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:16,190
there were one one shadow person

2064
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:18,770
sometimes there's a line of 10 to 15 and

2065
01:24:22,930 --> 01:24:20,750
and from that point that really spurred

2066
01:24:27,250 --> 01:24:22,940
me to wonder what hell are these things

2067
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:27,260
and I started writing about the

2068
01:24:31,629 --> 01:24:29,690
paranormal I I just had to try and find

2069
01:24:34,419 --> 01:24:31,639
an answer to that just because it's it's

2070
01:24:35,290 --> 01:24:34,429
bothered me for four decades okay i

2071
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:35,300
justified

2072
01:24:40,299 --> 01:24:38,210
sort of totally moving the goalposts to

2073
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:40,309
a completely different area one of the

2074
01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:42,530
things that's fascinated me for many

2075
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:43,820
years although two Soviets have never

2076
01:24:48,129 --> 01:24:46,489
written about these time-travel and I

2077
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,139
know in what lurks beyond you have a

2078
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,760
sort of those sort of weird and

2079
01:24:54,609 --> 01:24:52,880
intriguing and just generally strange

2080
01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:54,619
storage it may be appropriate for

2081
01:24:59,379 --> 01:24:57,260
subject matter Jesse on time-travel and

2082
01:25:02,020 --> 01:24:59,389
someone who I guess the rumor was that

2083
01:25:04,569 --> 01:25:02,030
he'd either stumbled upon inadvertently

2084
01:25:05,919 --> 01:25:04,579
or deliberately the secret of time

2085
01:25:08,410 --> 01:25:05,929
travel and I wonder if you could talk

2086
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,420
about that almost as interesting from

2087
01:25:12,939 --> 01:25:10,400
the time-travel perspective as it is a

2088
01:25:14,799 --> 01:25:12,949
personal interest of the person

2089
01:25:16,839 --> 01:25:14,809
concerned you know from a primitive and

2090
01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:16,849
interest angle well this time travel

2091
01:25:21,459 --> 01:25:18,760
something that has fascinated me since

2092
01:25:23,049 --> 01:25:21,469
since I was a little kid and watched the

2093
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:23,059
enterprise slingshot itself around the

2094
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:26,690
Sun yeah I had heard about this case

2095
01:25:31,629 --> 01:25:28,730
back in the mid 90s when I didn't live

2096
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,639
in this area it involves a guy named

2097
01:25:37,209 --> 01:25:34,159
named Mike Markham who was a 21 year old

2098
01:25:41,109 --> 01:25:37,219
electric school dropout from Rio Grande

2099
01:25:43,569 --> 01:25:41,119
uuhhh college and in Ohio and he'd moved

2100
01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:43,579
to a small town called Stanbury Missouri

2101
01:25:48,850 --> 01:25:45,590
which is 27 miles from where I'm sitting

2102
01:25:51,220 --> 01:25:48,860
right now and he was bored one day and

2103
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:51,230
he built a Jacob's Ladder on the

2104
01:25:57,310 --> 01:25:54,380
tabletop which for the listeners a

2105
01:25:59,979 --> 01:25:57,320
Jacob's Ladder is two vertical pieces of

2106
01:26:01,479 --> 01:25:59,989
I guess diagonal pieces of metal and you

2107
01:26:03,459 --> 01:26:01,489
send an electric current between them

2108
01:26:05,709 --> 01:26:03,469
and it dissipates near the top and he

2109
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:05,719
noticed there was some weird heat

2110
01:26:09,939 --> 01:26:07,369
signature that shouldn't have been there

2111
01:26:11,530 --> 01:26:09,949
that was hovering over this thing so he

2112
01:26:14,049 --> 01:26:11,540
did what any guy would do he threw

2113
01:26:15,729 --> 01:26:14,059
something at it he picked a finishing

2114
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:15,739
screw up and threw it and it hit that

2115
01:26:19,330 --> 01:26:17,329
hit the signature and kind of

2116
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:19,340
disappeared for a few seconds and then

2117
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:20,840
reappeared and dropped straight onto the

2118
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:25,280
table and Markham decided right then he

2119
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:26,690
came to the conclusion that he'd built a

2120
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:28,880
time machine and he wanted to build a

2121
01:26:34,089 --> 01:26:31,820
man-size when the jump through not to

2122
01:26:35,589 --> 01:26:34,099
increase the body of knowledge or you

2123
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:35,599
know do something good for mankind he

2124
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:36,770
wanted to go in the future and get the

2125
01:26:41,770 --> 01:26:39,170
lottery numbers again well that's

2126
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:41,780
commendable I can't exam that's a II's

2127
01:26:46,810 --> 01:26:43,610
an American after all he wants to get

2128
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:46,820
rich quick and to build a man-sized when

2129
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:49,260
he needed more juice so him and

2130
01:26:54,110 --> 01:26:52,290
a few friends stole six power line

2131
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:54,120
transformers from a local Power & Light

2132
01:26:58,850 --> 01:26:56,760
Station and when he hooked that hooked

2133
01:27:01,450 --> 01:26:58,860
his machine up the cops caught him

2134
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:01,460
because all the lights in town were off

2135
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:03,930
again this happened in 95 and I

2136
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:06,840
interviewed people who were there at the

2137
01:27:09,620 --> 01:27:08,250
time of the arrest I interviewed his

2138
01:27:11,540 --> 01:27:09,630
arresting officer I interviewed his

2139
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:11,550
jailer and I interviewed friends of his

2140
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:13,890
when he moved to st. Joe later and

2141
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talked about he was going to build one

2142
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of these man-sized ones again legally

2143
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and people from across the country this

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story had been on the art Belle show and

2145
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had been in the New York Times and it

2146
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was on the AP wire so it was everywhere

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people donated money and equipment to

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him and his landlord kicked him out of

2149
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his apartment in st. Joe because there

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was a story in a local paper that he was

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throwing cats through the machine and

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this is a direct quote from Markham and

2153
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that's a violation of the lease by the

2154
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way I think is a direct quote he said in

2155
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the news story that cat thing it ain't

2156
01:27:52,700 --> 01:27:51,540
true but then he disappeared his friends

2157
01:27:56,030 --> 01:27:52,710
hadn't seen him he didn't say goodbye

2158
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he's just gone and there was some

2159
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speculation about what happened to him

2160
01:28:02,030 --> 01:27:59,940
and I actually found somebody in

2161
01:28:06,050 --> 01:28:02,040
Cincinnati Markham had moved back to

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Cincinnati who a number of years ago did

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lived in the same apartment complex with

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Markham and would play video games and

2165
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:11,070
Markham would talk about his time

2166
01:28:16,990 --> 01:28:13,710
machine and talked about going through

2167
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it and describe the the iPhone to a tee

2168
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described playing certain video games

2169
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:22,020
and this was years before any of this

2170
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stuff was released so the guy I talked

2171
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to his convinced that Markham actually

2172
01:28:32,090 --> 01:28:29,040
went you know went in time okay the

2173
01:28:34,210 --> 01:28:32,100
iPhone to a tee where's this documented

2174
01:28:36,860 --> 01:28:34,220
this this is the interview that

2175
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:36,870
interview I had with him Markham didn't

2176
01:28:41,090 --> 01:28:39,000
write anything down didn't want didn't

2177
01:28:44,420 --> 01:28:41,100
want any more publicity so we really

2178
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:44,430
don't know this happened we don't know

2179
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:47,910
don't know hundred percent what about

2180
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:50,490
predictions you know on a large scale

2181
01:28:55,190 --> 01:28:52,860
the fact that they're seldom documented

2182
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:55,200
before the event and if they are

2183
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:57,060
documented before the event quite often

2184
01:29:02,430 --> 01:28:58,560
they don't happen maybe that's part of

2185
01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:02,440
the problem yeah quite possibly

2186
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:05,080
hmm yeah there there's another time

2187
01:29:11,459 --> 01:29:07,090
travel story that I haven't gone into in

2188
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:11,469
the book that involves Stephen Gibbs you

2189
01:29:17,970 --> 01:29:13,120
are either you familiar with Stephen

2190
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:17,980
Gibbs we're not but I'll tell you what

2191
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:20,080
let's kind of move that to the next

2192
01:29:27,180 --> 01:29:23,130
segment of the show we have Jason Offit

2193
01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:27,190
he is author of what lurks beyond the

2194
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paranormal in your backyard and that's

2195
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not just his backyard it's my backyard

2196
01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:34,360
it's our co-host Nick Redferns backyard

2197
01:29:38,220 --> 01:29:35,800
we're gonna start looking at Nick's

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backyard and see what happens over there

2199
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in Texas I'm gene Steinberg you're in

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the park Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran

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burned out from the Gulf War lives

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tortured by relentless perplexing

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nightmares nightmares of a horrific

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battle in deep space and of a mysterious

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woman suffering and agony for her

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devastated world a woman not yet born

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calling across centuries to him then a

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coincidence leads him to his destiny his

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chance to alter the universe attack of

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we return with another hours spent with

2309
01:34:21,700 --> 01:34:19,400
Jason off at keys author of what lurks

2310
01:34:23,860 --> 01:34:21,710
beyond the power normal in your backyard

2311
01:34:26,170 --> 01:34:23,870
an earlier segment in the previous hour

2312
01:34:28,690 --> 01:34:26,180
we did answer or at least have him

2313
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:28,700
attempt to answer the questions from you

2314
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:30,890
listeners about all these strange and

2315
01:34:34,090 --> 01:34:32,210
unknown things that he's been covering

2316
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,100
and that's something that we'll be

2317
01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:36,560
asking you to do for all the guests of

2318
01:34:40,660 --> 01:34:38,420
course the problem always is of course

2319
01:34:43,690 --> 01:34:40,670
that we don't always have the guests

2320
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line up before it's too late to figure

2321
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:45,500
out what question we should be asking

2322
01:34:51,220 --> 01:34:48,080
okay time travel this didn't make it in

2323
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:51,230
the book Jason and why didn't it make it

2324
01:34:56,170 --> 01:34:53,930
to the book because the book was already

2325
01:34:59,620 --> 01:34:56,180
finished when when I finally got got

2326
01:35:02,170 --> 01:34:59,630
this anyway there's this gentleman had

2327
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:02,180
claims to have gotten plans to build a

2328
01:35:06,970 --> 01:35:04,130
time machine from himself in the future

2329
01:35:08,770 --> 01:35:06,980
and he sells them on the internet if you

2330
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:08,780
saw Napoleon Dynamite you saw one of his

2331
01:35:13,540 --> 01:35:11,570
machines and a couple of physicist

2332
01:35:15,070 --> 01:35:13,550
friends of mine and I got a government

2333
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:15,080
grant to purchase one and we're playing

2334
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:15,710
with it right now

2335
01:35:19,810 --> 01:35:17,930
so yeah that's where our tax dollars are

2336
01:35:21,670 --> 01:35:19,820
going to buy me a time machine well you

2337
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:21,680
know what that's gonna really be the

2338
01:35:28,330 --> 01:35:24,890
subject of some severe criticisms on

2339
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:28,340
certain 24/7 cable stations so tell me

2340
01:35:32,980 --> 01:35:31,760
more about this time machine Oh like I

2341
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:32,990
said any any listener who's seen

2342
01:35:38,860 --> 01:35:35,290
Napoleon Dynamite has seen this machine

2343
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:38,870
complete with quartz crystal and in a

2344
01:35:41,950 --> 01:35:40,850
very large electromagnet you stick you

2345
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:41,960
stick between your legs

2346
01:35:46,090 --> 01:35:44,000
there is no shocking the machine is

2347
01:35:47,650 --> 01:35:46,100
supposed to take three minutes to warm

2348
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:47,660
up and then you go forward in time and I

2349
01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:50,330
discovered that using machine I went

2350
01:35:58,510 --> 01:35:53,950
three minutes forward in time come again

2351
01:35:59,980 --> 01:35:58,520
it took three warm-up okay it takes

2352
01:36:01,540 --> 01:35:59,990
three minutes to warm up and then you

2353
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:01,550
really went back through time or you're

2354
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:04,010
just kind of oh no I said that three

2355
01:36:08,230 --> 01:36:05,510
minutes to warm up was the three minutes

2356
01:36:09,550 --> 01:36:08,240
in the future I went okay so you really

2357
01:36:12,910 --> 01:36:09,560
haven't seen any evidence this thing

2358
01:36:14,770 --> 01:36:12,920
really works no not at all now that's an

2359
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:14,780
interesting story have you covered other

2360
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:16,850
instances where people claim to build

2361
01:36:21,730 --> 01:36:19,040
time machines this is the only one I was

2362
01:36:24,010 --> 01:36:21,740
able to get a grant for and one the only

2363
01:36:26,319 --> 01:36:24,020
one that I've bought so far that's also

2364
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:26,329
an interesting question to which is

2365
01:36:30,970 --> 01:36:28,880
okay folks how much does a time machine

2366
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:30,980
costs assuming I want to buy one I don't

2367
01:36:34,299 --> 01:36:32,210
have the money for a time machine right

2368
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:34,309
now I will entertain loans from our

2369
01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:36,650
listenership if you want us to buy time

2370
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:38,750
machine an official time machine for the

2371
01:36:42,370 --> 01:36:40,610
power cast you know you're welcome to

2372
01:36:44,069 --> 01:36:42,380
contribute but what does it cost how

2373
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,079
much of our tax dollars are being

2374
01:36:48,220 --> 01:36:46,159
confined to the purchase of time

2375
01:36:49,419 --> 01:36:48,230
machines well now don't look at it

2376
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:49,429
negatively it was about three hundred

2377
01:36:53,799 --> 01:36:51,650
and fifty dollars but with that research

2378
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,809
with with what I'm telling you now and

2379
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:55,280
what the research that the physicists

2380
01:36:59,319 --> 01:36:57,110
are doing on the machine that will save

2381
01:37:01,060 --> 01:36:59,329
many many people three hundred and fifty

2382
01:37:02,770 --> 01:37:01,070
dollars out of their bank accounts so I

2383
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:02,780
personally think it's facts money well

2384
01:37:06,939 --> 01:37:05,210
spent and you think also maybe it gives

2385
01:37:08,770 --> 01:37:06,949
good reason for maybe to have the

2386
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:08,780
authorities to have a little talk with

2387
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:10,610
this person say you know what maybe you

2388
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,530
shouldn't be selling time machines well

2389
01:37:15,069 --> 01:37:14,480
what the buyer beware it's a time

2390
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:15,079
machine

2391
01:37:18,339 --> 01:37:16,880
and this isn't this isn't the first time

2392
01:37:21,310 --> 01:37:18,349
the government has spent money on

2393
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:21,320
something on something like this I had

2394
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:24,290
my my house was was ruined in a flood

2395
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:27,170
back in 1993 and the government came

2396
01:37:30,879 --> 01:37:28,880
FEMA came and had the main did I tell

2397
01:37:32,169 --> 01:37:30,889
him exactly what I lost in the flood the

2398
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only thing that I wasn't able to

2399
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retrieve out of my house with my

2400
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beer-making equipment and the government

2401
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:38,139
bought me new beer-making equipment

2402
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:41,210
which is which which would weigh those

2403
01:37:44,979 --> 01:37:42,650
out which which do you think is more

2404
01:37:46,540 --> 01:37:44,989
frivolous a time machine or home

2405
01:37:48,819 --> 01:37:46,550
beer-making equipment you know I think

2406
01:37:51,729 --> 01:37:48,829
in a situation like that maybe it's a

2407
01:37:53,379 --> 01:37:51,739
mixture of of priorities there if you're

2408
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:53,389
a beer drinker though the home beer

2409
01:37:57,339 --> 01:37:56,000
making equipment might be fascinating I

2410
01:38:00,490 --> 01:37:57,349
got a lot more use out of that that I

2411
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,500
did the time machine okay so you've

2412
01:38:05,049 --> 01:38:03,440
never explored another time machine kind

2413
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:05,059
of device now have you reported back to

2414
01:38:08,799 --> 01:38:07,130
this person to say hey guys you know

2415
01:38:11,470 --> 01:38:08,809
what your machine isn't working it's not

2416
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:11,480
doing it what mistakes am i making I

2417
01:38:16,209 --> 01:38:14,840
have tried the person I have a feeling

2418
01:38:18,370 --> 01:38:16,219
is found out that I write about these

2419
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:18,380
topics because I haven't he hasn't

2420
01:38:22,330 --> 01:38:20,570
returned phone calls hasn't responded to

2421
01:38:24,939 --> 01:38:22,340
letters I've written so I've made plenty

2422
01:38:26,879 --> 01:38:24,949
of ten of attempts everything but going

2423
01:38:29,740 --> 01:38:26,889
and knocking on his front door well

2424
01:38:31,629 --> 01:38:29,750
Willie yeah might be a plan to do that

2425
01:38:32,260 --> 01:38:31,639
next and see what happens see whether he

2426
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:32,270
throws you out

2427
01:38:37,089 --> 01:38:35,690
now what about missing time okay so we

2428
01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:37,099
have the time machine forget the time

2429
01:38:40,590 --> 01:38:38,710
machine one of the calm

2430
01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:40,600
things that happen especially in

2431
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,160
connection with UFO abductions with

2432
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:44,800
Mamie not missing time do we see missing

2433
01:38:50,730 --> 01:38:48,400
time in this book no no no missing time

2434
01:38:53,940 --> 01:38:50,740
I have personally had missing time but

2435
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:53,950
only only about three minutes but no no

2436
01:38:58,650 --> 01:38:56,050
no account to the book you've personally

2437
01:39:00,180 --> 01:38:58,660
had missing time not we're referring to

2438
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:00,190
this machine that didn't work and took

2439
01:39:04,830 --> 01:39:01,690
three minutes to warm up but something

2440
01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:04,840
else right once I was working me the

2441
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:06,340
night shift at the newspaper and I was

2442
01:39:11,970 --> 01:39:09,250
driving home which was about a 50 minute

2443
01:39:14,220 --> 01:39:11,980
drive and and I got to a spot that said

2444
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:14,230
five miles to the town I was going to

2445
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,330
and I thought this is this is great

2446
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:18,400
because as soon as I hit that sign my

2447
01:39:22,740 --> 01:39:20,710
favorite Rolling Stones song Gimme

2448
01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:22,750
Shelter came on the radio this was just

2449
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:24,790
four minutes and 32 seconds long I

2450
01:39:29,070 --> 01:39:26,410
figured yeah this is great I can listen

2451
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:29,080
to song all the way home and then I

2452
01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:32,170
don't remember anything else until my

2453
01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:34,510
engine started dragging because I had it

2454
01:39:37,710 --> 01:39:35,980
on cruise control and I was going up a

2455
01:39:39,540 --> 01:39:37,720
hill and the problem is there weren't

2456
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:39,550
any hills between where I was and the

2457
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:41,650
town I was going to and it was quite

2458
01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:44,800
foggy and I had no idea where I was and

2459
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:46,420
I went up and down a couple more hills

2460
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:48,730
until I saw a light and I pulled in and

2461
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:51,370
it was it was a Jehovah's Witness church

2462
01:39:55,530 --> 01:39:53,050
this is sitting out in the middle in the

2463
01:39:57,690 --> 01:39:55,540
middle of nowhere and I realized where I

2464
01:40:00,840 --> 01:39:57,700
was I was five miles on the other side

2465
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:00,850
of the town I was going to and as I was

2466
01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:02,530
sitting there I realized Gimme Shelter

2467
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:04,270
was still playing in a plate for another

2468
01:40:08,670 --> 01:40:06,490
minute and a half so even they did an

2469
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:08,680
instant replay or something weird

2470
01:40:13,260 --> 01:40:10,690
happened to you or maybe you fell asleep

2471
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:13,270
at the wheel well I I can't say fell

2472
01:40:19,170 --> 01:40:14,530
asleep at the wheel because I had the

2473
01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:19,180
cruise control on and I drove 10 miles

2474
01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:21,340
I was this straightaway kind of drive or

2475
01:40:24,780 --> 01:40:22,540
is it something that requires a lot of

2476
01:40:26,490 --> 01:40:24,790
curves there were quite a few curves and

2477
01:40:28,770 --> 01:40:26,500
again again I went up a couple of hills

2478
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:28,780
that also had curbs so I have no idea

2479
01:40:32,820 --> 01:40:30,250
I'm not saying it was paranormal but

2480
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:32,830
that's that's my missing time story and

2481
01:40:36,810 --> 01:40:34,570
we kind of think though if this really

2482
01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:36,820
happened and he just fell asleep we

2483
01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:39,580
wouldn't be talking to Jason often in

2484
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:44,740
this reality probably not mm-hmm so that

2485
01:40:49,110 --> 01:40:47,050
was your missing time now do you have a

2486
01:40:50,630 --> 01:40:49,120
feeling as to what causes missing time

2487
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:50,640
in general is it what

2488
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:53,850
the UFO abductees think that maybe et is

2489
01:40:55,850 --> 01:40:55,290
just causing them to forget what

2490
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,860
happened

2491
01:41:00,500 --> 01:40:57,840
it could be epilepsy for all out for all

2492
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:00,510
I know I have no idea what what causes

2493
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:03,450
this there is something I'm thinking

2494
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:06,030
about exploring because there are there

2495
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:07,920
have been a lot of paranormal encounters

2496
01:41:12,050 --> 01:41:09,510
with people that I've interviewed and

2497
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:12,060
they've come out to say oh I suffer from

2498
01:41:17,150 --> 01:41:14,490
depression so I'm wondering if you know

2499
01:41:20,060 --> 01:41:17,160
some sort of you know clinical medical

2500
01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:20,070
medical mental medical condition is

2501
01:41:24,530 --> 01:41:22,440
associated with the paranormal not that

2502
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:24,540
the medical condition causes it that

2503
01:41:28,730 --> 01:41:25,710
maybe that they're they're just

2504
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,740
associated maybe all of this accounts

2505
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:30,480
for the missing time as opposed to

2506
01:41:35,210 --> 01:41:32,520
people being abducted I also worry about

2507
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:35,220
instances which happen in people's beds

2508
01:41:38,900 --> 01:41:36,900
because you could be dreaming you can

2509
01:41:40,430 --> 01:41:38,910
have some pretty wild dreams I know I've

2510
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:40,440
had some I know my wife

2511
01:41:43,820 --> 01:41:42,810
on occasion dreams about her late mother

2512
01:41:46,370 --> 01:41:43,830
and her late father

2513
01:41:49,850 --> 01:41:46,380
but we can't say necessarily then either

2514
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:49,860
or visiting her all right I especially

2515
01:41:55,820 --> 01:41:52,080
in my book darkness walks on on shadow

2516
01:41:57,110 --> 01:41:55,830
people I discounted most of the stories

2517
01:42:00,650 --> 01:41:57,120
that I received because they were

2518
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:00,660
clearly you know received a hypnagogic

2519
01:42:06,050 --> 01:42:04,050
hypnagogic state or layer you're in deep

2520
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:06,060
REM sleep your body's been flooded with

2521
01:42:09,530 --> 01:42:07,770
with chemicals from your brain that

2522
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:09,540
basically paralyzed you so you won't

2523
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:11,610
crash around all night with involuntary

2524
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:13,650
muscle movements but you wake up for

2525
01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:14,970
some reason and you're still in that

2526
01:42:20,180 --> 01:42:17,100
great dream state and you can't move and

2527
01:42:23,300 --> 01:42:20,190
you can see all sorts of crazy dream

2528
01:42:24,770 --> 01:42:23,310
things you know Chado people ghosts your

2529
01:42:27,230 --> 01:42:24,780
your dead aunt

2530
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:27,240
ETS vampires whatever and you can't do

2531
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:29,010
anything about it until you know you

2532
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:31,650
snap out of that that awake / dream

2533
01:42:35,450 --> 01:42:33,210
state well that's the important thing

2534
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:35,460
about dream state how much of the

2535
01:42:40,910 --> 01:42:38,130
so-called paranormal instances that we

2536
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:40,920
see might be caused by dream state

2537
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:43,410
issues a lot of them can and you've got

2538
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:44,970
to take into consideration you know

2539
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:47,010
where people are if they're there a lot

2540
01:42:50,630 --> 01:42:48,570
of you know like I said the abduction

2541
01:42:52,010 --> 01:42:50,640
cases are from from people's beds are

2542
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:52,020
they dreaming is are they in that

2543
01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:53,850
hypnagogic state yeah a lot of cases

2544
01:42:58,460 --> 01:42:56,280
they probably are all of them I can't

2545
01:42:59,810 --> 01:42:58,470
say that a lot of cases were I mean

2546
01:43:01,640 --> 01:42:59,820
where people experienced something in

2547
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:01,650
broad daylight and they're wide awake I

2548
01:43:04,810 --> 01:43:02,480
have a

2549
01:43:08,050 --> 01:43:04,820
or put a lot more credibility into that

2550
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:08,060
now in looking over cases for this book

2551
01:43:14,020 --> 01:43:11,450
what portion covers that or anything

2552
01:43:16,690 --> 01:43:14,030
related to UFOs you do much UFO coverage

2553
01:43:18,729 --> 01:43:16,700
well I I did some I did the the herb

2554
01:43:21,250 --> 01:43:18,739
Shermer case there was also another case

2555
01:43:25,870 --> 01:43:21,260
jacques fillet investigated back in

2556
01:43:29,229 --> 01:43:25,880
December of 1977 in Council Bluffs Iowa

2557
01:43:31,690 --> 01:43:29,239
that had to do with six or seven people

2558
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:31,700
saw it from different corners of this

2559
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:34,489
large park they saw after dark this

2560
01:43:39,700 --> 01:43:37,970
glowing red ball or glowing white ball

2561
01:43:41,530 --> 01:43:39,710
with a red ring around it

2562
01:43:43,870 --> 01:43:41,540
and then they saw something red drop

2563
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:43,880
from beneath it then into the park and

2564
01:43:48,460 --> 01:43:45,770
then the thing took off into the sky and

2565
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:48,470
the people converged on this spot along

2566
01:43:56,740 --> 01:43:50,810
with the fire department and there was a

2567
01:43:58,150 --> 01:43:56,750
big big chunk of slag that was sitting

2568
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,160
and that was sitting there and melting

2569
01:44:03,490 --> 01:44:00,080
into the snow melting into the end of

2570
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:03,500
the earth and into the frozen ground the

2571
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:05,690
center of it was still white it was so

2572
01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:09,920
hot and nobody knew where it came from

2573
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:12,590
nobody could explain rationally where it

2574
01:44:17,770 --> 01:44:15,470
was about 2,000 pounds of molten slag

2575
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:17,780
that was you know appeared in this park

2576
01:44:22,060 --> 01:44:19,370
I'll tell you what we'll look into that

2577
01:44:25,390 --> 01:44:22,070
molten metal and follow this up in a

2578
01:44:27,940 --> 01:44:25,400
moment Jason Offutt author of what lurks

2579
01:44:31,450 --> 01:44:27,950
beyond the paranormal in your backyard

2580
01:44:33,890 --> 01:44:31,460
the co-host is Nicholas Redfern I'm Jean

2581
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:33,900
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2582
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2596
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2597
01:45:12,750 --> 01:45:11,050
live.com hi this is ted Anderson have

2598
01:45:14,430 --> 01:45:12,760
you ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

2599
01:45:16,250 --> 01:45:14,440
investment advisors won't talk about

2600
01:45:18,780 --> 01:45:16,260
gold IRAs they've been available since

2601
01:45:20,609 --> 01:45:18,790
1986 yet the financial industry won't

2602
01:45:22,530 --> 01:45:20,619
recognize the value of gold for your

2603
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,540
retirement gold is outperformed paper

2604
01:45:26,430 --> 01:45:24,880
investments yet no word about IRAs if

2605
01:45:58,440 --> 01:45:26,440
you would like to have gold for your

2606
01:46:05,110 --> 01:46:02,830
we still have Nick Redfern and we're

2607
01:46:07,450 --> 01:46:05,120
exploring the book what lurks beyond the

2608
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:07,460
paranormal in your backyard page after

2609
01:46:12,940 --> 01:46:10,130
page cover to cover with Jason off it

2610
01:46:14,890 --> 01:46:12,950
I'm gene Steinberger in the para cast in

2611
01:46:18,940 --> 01:46:14,900
our final hour and you were talking

2612
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:18,950
about molten metal appearing where again

2613
01:46:25,210 --> 01:46:22,400
in in a park Oh big Lake Lake Park in

2614
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:25,220
Council Bluffs Iowa yeah I said about

2615
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:27,920
about six people in various points the

2616
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:30,410
park saw this glowing object this white

2617
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:32,090
glowing object with a red ring around it

2618
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:35,090
drop something red from underneath it

2619
01:46:39,700 --> 01:46:36,770
and then take up and take off in the sky

2620
01:46:42,210 --> 01:46:39,710
and when they went to the spot there was

2621
01:46:46,450 --> 01:46:42,220
two thousand pounds of molten slag

2622
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:46,460
sitting on a levee in this park and like

2623
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:48,560
I said it was still white hot in the

2624
01:46:54,340 --> 01:46:52,250
center there was a seldom-used railway

2625
01:46:57,460 --> 01:46:54,350
station a row of knots station but but

2626
01:46:59,650 --> 01:46:57,470
railroad tracks very well fairly close

2627
01:47:01,000 --> 01:46:59,660
to it but and that's what people tried

2628
01:47:03,730 --> 01:47:01,010
to say well they just dumped the slag

2629
01:47:06,610 --> 01:47:03,740
well I mean it was it was two hundred

2630
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:06,620
yards away from this spot but how was

2631
01:47:10,990 --> 01:47:08,510
that possible nobody could really answer

2632
01:47:13,630 --> 01:47:11,000
the question the only answer that came

2633
01:47:16,210 --> 01:47:13,640
was what this stuff was and it was melt

2634
01:47:17,620 --> 01:47:16,220
or slag it was what was left over when

2635
01:47:18,820 --> 01:47:17,630
all the good bits of metal were were

2636
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:18,830
taken out

2637
01:47:24,340 --> 01:47:21,250
I said Jacque Jacque fillet did

2638
01:47:27,070 --> 01:47:24,350
investigated this and did a published

2639
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:27,080
research paper on various accounts just

2640
01:47:32,820 --> 01:47:30,770
like this all over the world so that's

2641
01:47:36,130 --> 01:47:32,830
something that hasn't been explained

2642
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:36,140
wasn't there like an investigative team

2643
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:38,030
came out from a local Air Force Base or

2644
01:47:41,650 --> 01:47:39,440
something like that he's at that same

2645
01:47:44,290 --> 01:47:41,660
case oh yes it's the local air force

2646
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:44,300
base which was off it it still is off at

2647
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:45,920
Air Force Base

2648
01:47:50,830 --> 01:47:49,040
yeah they they came out and and and

2649
01:47:54,030 --> 01:47:50,840
looked at it they took some of the slag

2650
01:47:56,350 --> 01:47:54,040
some of the slide was also sent to

2651
01:47:58,750 --> 01:47:56,360
wright-patterson field and I tried to

2652
01:48:01,060 --> 01:47:58,760
file a Freedom of Information Act

2653
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,070
request with them and and got all said

2654
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:02,960
they claim to have absolutely none of it

2655
01:48:06,430 --> 01:48:04,970
they claimed to know nothing about it

2656
01:48:09,879 --> 01:48:06,440
even though there were well documented

2657
01:48:11,639 --> 01:48:09,889
reports that that you know in newspapers

2658
01:48:13,659 --> 01:48:11,649
magazine articles at the time that

2659
01:48:15,819 --> 01:48:13,669
investigators from wright-patterson came

2660
01:48:18,189 --> 01:48:15,829
and took some of the material I did

2661
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:18,199
speak with somebody from Ames Iowa at

2662
01:48:25,540 --> 01:48:22,729
the University who was on on faculty

2663
01:48:27,489 --> 01:48:25,550
then at the time who personally looked

2664
01:48:29,529 --> 01:48:27,499
into this and and claimed it was just

2665
01:48:30,819 --> 01:48:29,539
melt or slag but still it really it

2666
01:48:33,179 --> 01:48:30,829
really hadn't been explained adequately

2667
01:48:35,919 --> 01:48:33,189
and why would it be dropped there oh

2668
01:48:38,799 --> 01:48:35,929
well one of the one of the speculations

2669
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:38,809
from from UFO researchers is that UFOs

2670
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do you know state they will extract

2671
01:48:45,250 --> 01:48:43,760
metal from the ground and take take from

2672
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:45,260
it what they need and just dump the

2673
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excess wherever they wherever they

2674
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happen to be you know if you look

2675
01:48:53,799 --> 01:48:51,159
through the historical UFO field back in

2676
01:48:56,259 --> 01:48:53,809
1947 the Mauri Island case that many now

2677
01:48:59,229 --> 01:48:56,269
consider to be a hoax what was happening

2678
01:49:01,569 --> 01:48:59,239
well UFOs were dropping slag into the

2679
01:49:04,389 --> 01:49:01,579
river right and that's one of the cases

2680
01:49:06,729 --> 01:49:04,399
that Jacque polite mentions in his in

2681
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:06,739
his in his report he doesn't mention the

2682
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:09,530
morning Island case along with cases in

2683
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:12,800
in Brazil and and in Europe but

2684
01:49:19,029 --> 01:49:15,050
analyzing all this material it's never

2685
01:49:22,359 --> 01:49:19,039
weird it's always normal always always

2686
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:22,369
there's a guy named Bob white that I

2687
01:49:26,739 --> 01:49:24,530
interviewed from Reed spring Missouri

2688
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:26,749
who yes I was on the power cast during

2689
01:49:30,879 --> 01:49:29,449
our first year right yeah he he found so

2690
01:49:33,549 --> 01:49:30,889
you're familiar with this he found some

2691
01:49:36,399 --> 01:49:33,559
material at that he saw fall from what

2692
01:49:38,589 --> 01:49:36,409
he said it was was a UFO a light that

2693
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:38,599
took off and vanished into the sky and

2694
01:49:42,609 --> 01:49:40,550
when he's headed in investigated it was

2695
01:49:44,049 --> 01:49:42,619
just what you know what just what they

2696
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:44,059
found in Council Bluffs it was just

2697
01:49:50,830 --> 01:49:46,610
smelter slag so that's pretty common I

2698
01:49:53,620 --> 01:49:50,840
think another UFO case happened a lot

2699
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:53,630
closer about 11 miles from where I'm

2700
01:49:59,949 --> 01:49:56,090
sitting right now back in the back in

2701
01:50:02,529 --> 01:49:59,959
the early 1980s I interviewed the first

2702
01:50:04,989 --> 01:50:02,539
person who found this he was 14 years

2703
01:50:06,819 --> 01:50:04,999
old at the time and was walking the

2704
01:50:08,979 --> 01:50:06,829
soybean field and and that's what

2705
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:08,989
happens in the Midwest farmers hire 14

2706
01:50:13,870 --> 01:50:11,090
15 year old kids to walk through with

2707
01:50:15,580 --> 01:50:13,880
machetes and cut down all the weeds and

2708
01:50:17,949 --> 01:50:15,590
Hina's brother were walking and they

2709
01:50:19,959 --> 01:50:17,959
found burn marks scorch marks on the

2710
01:50:23,410 --> 01:50:19,969
soybeans and then they found like a 10

2711
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:23,420
to 15 foot crater and

2712
01:50:26,830 --> 01:50:25,370
scorch marks on the other side it looked

2713
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:26,840
like something had hit the Earth's and

2714
01:50:32,979 --> 01:50:30,170
skipped off nobody ever could find the

2715
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:32,989
object that skipped off investigators

2716
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:34,489
from Offutt Air Force Base came down

2717
01:50:40,090 --> 01:50:38,000
from the FAA from local the local

2718
01:50:41,530 --> 01:50:40,100
university scientist came over to try

2719
01:50:43,780 --> 01:50:41,540
and determine what happened and nobody

2720
01:50:46,540 --> 01:50:43,790
could determine what had happened there

2721
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:46,550
or what the object was but the

2722
01:50:50,740 --> 01:50:48,410
interesting thing is during the course

2723
01:50:52,570 --> 01:50:50,750
of the summer the soybeans within 15

2724
01:50:54,490 --> 01:50:52,580
feet of that crater grew twice as tall

2725
01:50:57,220 --> 01:50:54,500
as everything else and there were no

2726
01:51:00,100 --> 01:50:57,230
weeds that would grow in that area which

2727
01:51:02,260 --> 01:51:00,110
is fairly fascinating to me so the alien

2728
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:02,270
gardening techniques are the ways they

2729
01:51:06,130 --> 01:51:03,650
landscape maybe we should learn

2730
01:51:07,810 --> 01:51:06,140
something from them one of the things I

2731
01:51:10,150 --> 01:51:07,820
wanted to ask you about Jason just

2732
01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:10,160
completely off track and took it

2733
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:12,710
compared to UFOs he sort of this a weird

2734
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:15,050
story what became known as or who became

2735
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:19,070
known as Jim the wonder dog that's a

2736
01:51:24,729 --> 01:51:22,880
terrific story Jim the wonder dog in in

2737
01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:24,739
Marshall Marshall Missouri now I did

2738
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:26,840
cheat on this this is just a little bit

2739
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,170
outside my hundred mile radius but it's

2740
01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:32,239
just too fun fun of a story for me to

2741
01:51:39,490 --> 01:51:36,590
leave out in the 1920s a man named Sam

2742
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:39,500
Van Arsdale who owned a hotel in in

2743
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:41,840
Marshall Missouri which is in close to

2744
01:51:47,050 --> 01:51:44,570
Central Missouri but not quite a friend

2745
01:51:49,090 --> 01:51:47,060
of his gave him a hunting dog a English

2746
01:51:50,350 --> 01:51:49,100
Llewellyn setter that was the runt of a

2747
01:51:53,169 --> 01:51:50,360
litter and of course you don't want that

2748
01:51:55,209 --> 01:51:53,179
you want the alpha male so but but the

2749
01:51:57,310 --> 01:51:55,219
joke was on on Van Arsdale his friend

2750
01:51:59,590 --> 01:51:57,320
because this thing became the best

2751
01:52:01,180 --> 01:51:59,600
hunting dog in the state there were all

2752
01:52:03,250 --> 01:52:01,190
sorts of magazines and newspaper

2753
01:52:06,130 --> 01:52:03,260
articles about what a great hunting dog

2754
01:52:09,070 --> 01:52:06,140
this was and then Van Arsdale noticed

2755
01:52:10,930 --> 01:52:09,080
something when he would just ask a

2756
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:10,940
question or make a statement Jim would

2757
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:13,730
go do it like I wonder how many people

2758
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:15,650
are standing in the hotel lobby from

2759
01:52:20,110 --> 01:52:17,510
Kansas City and Jim would go up to

2760
01:52:21,580 --> 01:52:20,120
individuals and Van Arsdale would walk

2761
01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:21,590
up and ask where they're from from

2762
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:25,070
Kansas City he would start asking Jim go

2763
01:52:29,229 --> 01:52:27,530
find the man in the brown shoes if there

2764
01:52:31,959 --> 01:52:29,239
was one man in this lobby with brown

2765
01:52:35,229 --> 01:52:31,969
shoes jim would go find them he would go

2766
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:35,239
find specific license plate numbers he

2767
01:52:39,879 --> 01:52:37,489
would go find specific colors

2768
01:52:42,250 --> 01:52:39,889
I interviewed she's rather elderly now

2769
01:52:44,619 --> 01:52:42,260
she's in her mid to late 80s but she was

2770
01:52:47,619 --> 01:52:44,629
a young girl back when when Jim was

2771
01:52:49,989 --> 01:52:47,629
alive and one day she was one Saturday

2772
01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:49,999
she was in the hotel lobby because that

2773
01:52:53,949 --> 01:52:52,729
was a meeting place and she had ten

2774
01:52:55,810 --> 01:52:53,959
pennies in her purse

2775
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,820
that's the allowance for ferret parents

2776
01:53:00,159 --> 01:52:58,639
got her and Van Arsdale knew this and he

2777
01:53:01,659 --> 01:53:00,169
said to Jim go find the girl with ten

2778
01:53:03,939 --> 01:53:01,669
pennies in her purse he went directly to

2779
01:53:05,379 --> 01:53:03,949
this girl a girl started crying because

2780
01:53:09,310 --> 01:53:05,389
she didn't want Jim to take her money

2781
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:09,320
but but the dog would follow commands in

2782
01:53:16,989 --> 01:53:13,840
German Spanish Italian Latin would

2783
01:53:19,569 --> 01:53:16,999
follow written commands in shorthand in

2784
01:53:21,129 --> 01:53:19,579
various languages and you know Van

2785
01:53:22,569 --> 01:53:21,139
Arsdale was just a guy from Central

2786
01:53:23,979 --> 01:53:22,579
Missouri he didn't know how to speak

2787
01:53:26,169 --> 01:53:23,989
anything probably couldn't speak English

2788
01:53:28,619 --> 01:53:26,179
that well so nobody could really explain

2789
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:28,629
what what this dog was doing he

2790
01:53:33,489 --> 01:53:31,820
predicted the sex of a baby if woman

2791
01:53:35,020 --> 01:53:33,499
came in and asked what you know there

2792
01:53:37,839 --> 01:53:35,030
gonna be a boy or a girl Jim could pick

2793
01:53:40,270 --> 01:53:37,849
it out he predicted conduct Kentucky

2794
01:53:42,939 --> 01:53:40,280
Derby winners and things like this it

2795
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:42,949
was all pretty fascinating and Hollywood

2796
01:53:48,879 --> 01:53:46,610
even came to try and buy Jim from from

2797
01:53:50,889 --> 01:53:48,889
from Van Arsdale because you know if you

2798
01:53:52,929 --> 01:53:50,899
have a dog that can read the script you

2799
01:53:55,359 --> 01:53:52,939
don't need to train it but Van Arsdale

2800
01:53:57,580 --> 01:53:55,369
just wanted to hunt he to his credit he

2801
01:53:59,560 --> 01:53:57,590
didn't try to make money off Jim and if

2802
01:54:01,600 --> 01:53:59,570
you find come across any other kind of

2803
01:54:04,540 --> 01:54:01,610
stories along those lines if I guess I

2804
01:54:06,459 --> 01:54:04,550
have psychic animals ghostly animals

2805
01:54:09,699 --> 01:54:06,469
things like that well I'll talk to

2806
01:54:11,259 --> 01:54:09,709
people there a couple about this and all

2807
01:54:12,939 --> 01:54:11,269
I've been able to come up with is

2808
01:54:16,540 --> 01:54:12,949
there's a couple of fairly famous cases

2809
01:54:18,399 --> 01:54:16,550
involving horses I could do could do you

2810
01:54:20,379 --> 01:54:18,409
know certain certain trick like like

2811
01:54:22,359 --> 01:54:20,389
things that made them seem psychic but

2812
01:54:24,129 --> 01:54:22,369
but but come to find out their owners

2813
01:54:26,619 --> 01:54:24,139
were queer prompting them nobody can

2814
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:26,629
ever find this this out with Jim that he

2815
01:54:32,919 --> 01:54:28,639
ever found any other instances where

2816
01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:32,929
dogs do really really weird stuff well

2817
01:54:38,049 --> 01:54:36,260
not not really weird just I need pets

2818
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:38,059
will act like there's somebody in the

2819
01:54:40,989 --> 01:54:39,530
room when there's not I mean there might

2820
01:54:43,149 --> 01:54:40,999
be somebody in the room we just just

2821
01:54:44,830 --> 01:54:43,159
can't see them the the only thing I can

2822
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,840
see with animals that's anywhere psychic

2823
01:54:48,129 --> 01:54:46,639
is I don't like cats and any time I'm in

2824
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the room with a cat it's it's right in

2825
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my lap it's trying to convince

2826
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then you have to change your ways Jason

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I say within cats because my wife is

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allergic to cat hair so I have no choice

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there you know not that I dislike cats

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2941
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2945
02:00:20,380 --> 02:00:17,690
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2946
02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:20,390
Redfern is our co-host the guest is

2947
02:00:24,970 --> 02:00:22,880
Jason Offutt author of what lurks beyond

2948
02:00:26,650 --> 02:00:24,980
the paranormal in your backyard you make

2949
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:26,660
sure an air force base is that the same

2950
02:00:31,930 --> 02:00:29,840
name as your name yes I don't know if I

2951
02:00:33,700 --> 02:00:31,940
don't know if we're related way back way

2952
02:00:35,860 --> 02:00:33,710
back when but there are many office

2953
02:00:39,730 --> 02:00:35,870
around so there's a very good case we

2954
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:39,740
are miss he's the first person to die

2955
02:00:44,290 --> 02:00:42,410
first pilot to die in World War one so

2956
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:44,300
your family goes back quite a few years

2957
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:45,170
in this country

2958
02:00:50,380 --> 02:00:48,890
yeah we've got my dad was in Sons of the

2959
02:00:52,180 --> 02:00:50,390
American Revolution so we've been we've

2960
02:00:53,950 --> 02:00:52,190
been here for quite a long time mm-hmm

2961
02:00:56,350 --> 02:00:53,960
my family came from Eastern Europe my

2962
02:00:58,630 --> 02:00:56,360
grandparents so I'm just a late comer

2963
02:01:01,450 --> 02:00:58,640
Nick you want to follow up on this yeah

2964
02:01:03,790 --> 02:01:01,460
I mean again I mean I read Jason's but I

2965
02:01:05,410 --> 02:01:03,800
was fascinated by it and one of the

2966
02:01:07,690 --> 02:01:05,420
areas it gets colored and I think you

2967
02:01:10,510 --> 02:01:07,700
know it's an area that surfacing now and

2968
02:01:13,180 --> 02:01:10,520
again is I guess ghost League famous

2969
02:01:14,980 --> 02:01:13,190
figures and certainly one of the most

2970
02:01:17,530 --> 02:01:14,990
well-known ones he's not the only one

2971
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:17,540
that the Jason covered in his book is

2972
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:19,610
the whole story of Jesse James the

2973
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:23,330
well-known outlaw and I just wondered if

2974
02:01:27,790 --> 02:01:25,520
there were one Jason you could talk

2975
02:01:29,950 --> 02:01:27,800
about this case and number two if you

2976
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:29,960
have any theories as to why you know

2977
02:01:35,140 --> 02:01:31,970
people seemingly see the ghosts of

2978
02:01:37,210 --> 02:01:35,150
famous people more than anybody else you

2979
02:01:39,940 --> 02:01:37,220
know is it just some sort of deep seeded

2980
02:01:42,220 --> 02:01:39,950
need to believe they're still around or

2981
02:01:44,350 --> 02:01:42,230
is it for whatever is you know belief in

2982
02:01:47,290 --> 02:01:44,360
them and fascination in them provokes

2983
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:47,300
them to appear who knows well yeah maybe

2984
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:49,730
it's what the person wants to see maybe

2985
02:01:52,540 --> 02:01:51,050
somebody's like I'm in Jesse James

2986
02:01:54,510 --> 02:01:52,550
birthplace I really want to see Jesse

2987
02:01:57,190 --> 02:01:54,520
James oh wait a second there there he is

2988
02:01:58,480 --> 02:01:57,200
it might be that or it might be that

2989
02:02:00,580 --> 02:01:58,490
they just recognize these

2990
02:02:03,130 --> 02:02:00,590
people more than a like most people

2991
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:03,140
encounter yeah I'm really not really not

2992
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:05,360
sure maybe maybe certain famous ghosts

2993
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:08,570
just have the ego her ego lives was

2994
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:11,810
longer than they did yeah I covered

2995
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:14,330
Jesse and Frank I'm still waiting to get

2996
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:16,310
ghost stories on to other famous

2997
02:02:21,250 --> 02:02:18,770
Missourians Mark Twain and Walt Disney

2998
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:21,260
but none of those surfaced anyway yeah

2999
02:02:25,540 --> 02:02:23,330
the Jesse James farm in Kearney Missouri

3000
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:25,550
Frank was not born there but jesse was

3001
02:02:30,700 --> 02:02:27,610
and there have been numerous encounters

3002
02:02:34,420 --> 02:02:30,710
mostly with Frank James at the at the

3003
02:02:37,690 --> 02:02:34,430
home because after Frank had gotten out

3004
02:02:40,990 --> 02:02:37,700
of prison he and his and his wife Annie

3005
02:02:43,150 --> 02:02:41,000
lived at the home and he would give

3006
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:43,160
tours of it because the James boys were

3007
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:45,050
famous and he would he would give he

3008
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:46,610
would give tours the people who want and

3009
02:02:50,380 --> 02:02:48,410
walked by and Annie absolutely hated

3010
02:02:54,700 --> 02:02:50,390
this there'd been lots of people who

3011
02:02:56,620 --> 02:02:54,710
have reported seeing somebody who looked

3012
02:02:58,180 --> 02:02:56,630
like Frank James you know looking at

3013
02:03:01,120 --> 02:02:58,190
them through the window Jesse and

3014
02:03:02,770 --> 02:03:01,130
Frank's mom Zerelda actually Jesse's

3015
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:02,780
wife's name was a relative to and his

3016
02:03:07,500 --> 02:03:04,850
common as that name was not guess what

3017
02:03:10,090 --> 02:03:07,510
side of the family she's from in anyway

3018
02:03:11,410 --> 02:03:10,100
his mom if somebody's inside the house

3019
02:03:12,850 --> 02:03:11,420
had been lots of reports if somebody

3020
02:03:14,710 --> 02:03:12,860
says anything disparaging about his

3021
02:03:16,930 --> 02:03:14,720
mother things will fall off the shelves

3022
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:16,940
one woman said something at one of the

3023
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:18,650
docents there said something about

3024
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:22,130
Jesse's mom and the earpiece to the

3025
02:03:26,500 --> 02:03:24,410
phone that was mounted to the wall flew

3026
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:26,510
off toward her and she said it would

3027
02:03:29,410 --> 02:03:27,890
have hit her except for the she was

3028
02:03:31,450 --> 02:03:29,420
farther than the way then the cord was

3029
02:03:33,130 --> 02:03:31,460
so at the Jesse James home there have

3030
02:03:34,750 --> 02:03:33,140
been quite a few reports of like I said

3031
02:03:36,970 --> 02:03:34,760
Frank and then some of Annie and then

3032
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:36,980
definitely of Jessie's mom so his mom is

3033
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:39,440
a real Mama Grizzly huh yeah I wouldn't

3034
02:03:45,460 --> 02:03:43,330
say now Frank at the nearby Inn in

3035
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:45,470
Independence Missouri which isn't isn't

3036
02:03:51,430 --> 02:03:48,410
too far from from from Carney Frank was

3037
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:51,440
in jail there for a while after he

3038
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:53,450
finally got finally got busted and he

3039
02:03:58,300 --> 02:03:56,330
was treated as a celebrity he had a room

3040
02:04:00,490 --> 02:03:58,310
all to himself a cell all to himself the

3041
02:04:03,010 --> 02:04:00,500
door was left open just like Otis the

3042
02:04:04,570 --> 02:04:03,020
drunk and on The Andy Griffith Show he'd

3043
02:04:06,430 --> 02:04:04,580
just come and go as he pleased he would

3044
02:04:09,910 --> 02:04:06,440
have dinner with the marshal and smoke

3045
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:09,920
cigars and people report smelling cigar

3046
02:04:14,050 --> 02:04:12,110
smoke it there all the time and it's on

3047
02:04:16,209 --> 02:04:14,060
National Register of Historic Places now

3048
02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:16,219
and he can't smoke people you know they

3049
02:04:19,810 --> 02:04:18,560
have to freshen the bed up almost every

3050
02:04:22,300 --> 02:04:19,820
morning because it looks like somebody

3051
02:04:24,340 --> 02:04:22,310
slept in it overnight and one Christmas

3052
02:04:26,770 --> 02:04:24,350
they put a Christmas tree in Frank's in

3053
02:04:28,590 --> 02:04:26,780
Frank's cell the next morning person who

3054
02:04:30,910 --> 02:04:28,600
closed the building opened the building

3055
02:04:32,109 --> 02:04:30,920
nobody else had been there and then the

3056
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:32,119
Christmas tree had been thrown out of

3057
02:04:35,709 --> 02:04:34,010
the hallway so there there been like I

3058
02:04:36,189 --> 02:04:35,719
said a lot more reports about Frank than

3059
02:04:38,439 --> 02:04:36,199
Jesse

3060
02:04:39,300 --> 02:04:38,449
well maybe Frank has a stronger

3061
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:39,310
personality

3062
02:04:44,830 --> 02:04:43,040
possibly yeah or maybe Jesse lived until

3063
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:44,840
he was 150 like the people in Texas

3064
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:47,330
thing but looking back at those

3065
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:50,000
histories have you explored the actual

3066
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:52,639
life history of these fabled figures of

3067
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:53,210
the past

3068
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,810
well I'm read quite I was in Missouri

3069
02:05:00,700 --> 02:04:58,400
and probably didn't you know growing up

3070
02:05:03,490 --> 02:05:00,710
in elementary school in high school I

3071
02:05:06,879 --> 02:05:03,500
could we we had to read about a lot of a

3072
02:05:10,090 --> 02:05:06,889
lot of these people so I know know a bit

3073
02:05:13,870 --> 02:05:10,100
about about Jesse a bit about Bob and

3074
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:13,880
Charlie Ford also there was a house in

3075
02:05:18,250 --> 02:05:16,639
Richmond Missouri which is about 15

3076
02:05:21,010 --> 02:05:18,260
minutes away from where I grew up that

3077
02:05:22,899 --> 02:05:21,020
the Ford family lived and Charlie tried

3078
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:22,909
to kill himself and it gave himself a

3079
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:25,010
head wound in the house and I talked

3080
02:05:29,919 --> 02:05:26,719
with people who who purchased the house

3081
02:05:31,899 --> 02:05:29,929
and in one closet in this home they

3082
02:05:33,100 --> 02:05:31,909
smelled death and they never could

3083
02:05:35,109 --> 02:05:33,110
figure out what it was they thought it

3084
02:05:39,090 --> 02:05:35,119
was a mouse now when you say smelling

3085
02:05:41,649 --> 02:05:39,100
death in what sense what are we sensing

3086
02:05:44,050 --> 02:05:41,659
something that's been dead for a while

3087
02:05:46,300 --> 02:05:44,060
something rotting they thought it was a

3088
02:05:48,189 --> 02:05:46,310
dead mouse in the walls and they tore

3089
02:05:51,250 --> 02:05:48,199
the walls up and couldn't find anything

3090
02:05:52,899 --> 02:05:51,260
and eventually I don't put a lot of

3091
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,909
stock in psychics but eventually they

3092
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,560
they had a psychic come to the house and

3093
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:56,960
the psychic said a few words and all of

3094
02:06:01,540 --> 02:05:58,880
a sudden the smell was gone didn't use

3095
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:01,550
Lysol maybe maybe that was it that could

3096
02:06:05,020 --> 02:06:03,440
have helped okay well I don't want to

3097
02:06:06,850 --> 02:06:05,030
smell death but I live in a relatively

3098
02:06:08,740 --> 02:06:06,860
new place here it's maybe 15-20 years

3099
02:06:11,709 --> 02:06:08,750
old so I don't think that's gonna happen

3100
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:11,719
what about your home Jason ever seen

3101
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:13,610
anything really weird about it does it

3102
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:15,440
have a strange history is just a recent

3103
02:06:20,919 --> 02:06:19,040
development its 1978 so no there's

3104
02:06:23,649 --> 02:06:20,929
really really nothing here nothing here

3105
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,659
at all there was there's something

3106
02:06:29,439 --> 02:06:25,760
interesting in the house

3107
02:06:31,870 --> 02:06:29,449
we owned before before we moved to to

3108
02:06:35,020 --> 02:06:31,880
this town it was a really old house it

3109
02:06:37,259 --> 02:06:35,030
was built built in the late 1800s and my

3110
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:37,269
life and I just just had had a baby and

3111
02:06:42,580 --> 02:06:40,639
to get from our bedroom to the bathroom

3112
02:06:44,649 --> 02:06:42,590
he'd walked through the nursery and

3113
02:06:45,729 --> 02:06:44,659
about 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning one

3114
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:45,739
of my life would get up to use the

3115
02:06:50,290 --> 02:06:47,840
restroom she would notice something that

3116
02:06:53,469 --> 02:06:50,300
she said looked like Tinkerbell from

3117
02:06:55,779 --> 02:06:53,479
from Peter Pan over over our baby's bed

3118
02:06:57,219 --> 02:06:55,789
and when she stared at it it disappeared

3119
02:06:59,259 --> 02:06:57,229
and I didn't think much of it until I

3120
02:07:01,029 --> 02:06:59,269
saw it and like I said I don't take much

3121
02:07:03,310 --> 02:07:01,039
stock in psychics but I was interviewing

3122
02:07:04,899 --> 02:07:03,320
a psychic not too long after I saw it

3123
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:04,909
and she said you're experiencing

3124
02:07:08,140 --> 02:07:06,800
something weird in your house and I

3125
02:07:10,839 --> 02:07:08,150
explained to her the light over the

3126
02:07:12,549 --> 02:07:10,849
baby's crib and I didn't say the baby

3127
02:07:14,830 --> 02:07:12,559
was a boy I didn't say the baby's name

3128
02:07:17,410 --> 02:07:14,840
but she goes well that lights just your

3129
02:07:20,859 --> 02:07:17,420
grandfather Sam who's looking after his

3130
02:07:22,930 --> 02:07:20,869
namesake and she nailed it we have done

3131
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:22,940
research about you before coming there

3132
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:24,650
though well she didn't come there she

3133
02:07:28,540 --> 02:07:26,690
didn't come to the house I called her at

3134
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:28,550
her house completely out of the blue I'd

3135
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:31,010
never met her I just started writing

3136
02:07:36,189 --> 02:07:33,170
writing my first book about those

3137
02:07:38,109 --> 02:07:36,199
stories so she had no no way of knowing

3138
02:07:41,189 --> 02:07:38,119
who I was and she couldn't Google him

3139
02:07:45,219 --> 02:07:41,199
fast enough just no telling this was

3140
02:07:48,819 --> 02:07:45,229
when was this back 2005 I think when I

3141
02:07:50,259 --> 02:07:48,829
talked with her so no I I there's no way

3142
02:07:52,810 --> 02:07:50,269
she could have done any research on me

3143
02:07:56,140 --> 02:07:52,820
because like I said I just read

3144
02:07:58,540 --> 02:07:56,150
something about her and in a newspaper

3145
02:08:00,399 --> 02:07:58,550
because she's one of those psychics who

3146
02:08:01,419 --> 02:08:00,409
worked with the police department to

3147
02:08:03,310 --> 02:08:01,429
find missing people

3148
02:08:05,830 --> 02:08:03,320
I found her name it said that what town

3149
02:08:07,930 --> 02:08:05,840
she lived in looked her up in the in a

3150
02:08:09,370 --> 02:08:07,940
telephone directory and called her and

3151
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:09,380
out of the blue she gives you all this

3152
02:08:13,390 --> 02:08:11,209
frightening information yeah I don't

3153
02:08:15,549 --> 02:08:13,400
know how I'd react to that we have Jason

3154
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:15,559
Offutt he's author of what lurks beyond

3155
02:08:21,969 --> 02:08:17,570
the power normal in your backyard

3156
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:21,979
maybe the airport is named after some

3157
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:23,840
member of his family will never know or

3158
02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:26,239
maybe we will know Nicholas Redfern is

3159
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:40,439
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3160
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3161
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3162
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3163
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3164
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3176
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3177
02:09:43,660 --> 02:09:41,260
when you hear the words water

3178
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:43,670
purification what comes to mind if it's

3179
02:09:47,710 --> 02:09:45,770
berkey water purification systems this

3180
02:09:50,140 --> 02:09:47,720
message is for you did you know that

3181
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:50,150
over 60% of municipal water contains

3182
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:52,130
fluoride and less than 2 cents per

3183
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:54,410
gallon murky water filters purify

3184
02:09:58,240 --> 02:09:56,450
treated and untreated water remove

3185
02:10:00,160 --> 02:09:58,250
dangerous chlorine fluoride and

3186
02:10:02,080 --> 02:10:00,170
contaminants from municipal water these

3187
02:10:04,270 --> 02:10:02,090
filters are powerful enough to purify

3188
02:10:06,340 --> 02:10:04,280
stagnant pond water making them perfect

3189
02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:06,350
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our guest Jason Offutt author of what

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lurks beyond the paranormal in your

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backyard I'm gonna move to a totally

3268
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different subject there's a chapter in

3269
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there I noticed about someone being

3270
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possessed of course those of you who

3271
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have watched exorcism movies gonna

3272
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appreciate this tell us the story well

3273
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this is the story about about a young

3274
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:26,680
man named Travis white and when he was

3275
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in his late teens he started noticing a

3276
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shadow person in his house it was out of

3277
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the corner of his eye and eventually

3278
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started getting more and more into his

3279
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direct line of sight until he could see

3280
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it straight on and one time when he saw

3281
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it it peeled a hood back and he could

3282
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:46,390
see the face and he said that it was

3283
02:13:51,780 --> 02:13:49,930
hideously scarred and said the nose was

3284
02:13:53,610 --> 02:13:51,790
broken and he said it just it looked

3285
02:13:55,740 --> 02:13:53,620
horrible and the thing started talking

3286
02:13:56,940 --> 02:13:55,750
to him and he knew that nobody else

3287
02:13:59,310 --> 02:13:56,950
would be able to see this if they were

3288
02:14:01,709 --> 02:13:59,320
in the room just just him and he

3289
02:14:05,250 --> 02:14:01,719
that how did he know that nobody else

3290
02:14:06,990 --> 02:14:05,260
see this he had a feeling at the time

3291
02:14:08,879 --> 02:14:07,000
when he first started seeing it he did

3292
02:14:10,709 --> 02:14:08,889
start seeing it when people were in the

3293
02:14:12,540 --> 02:14:10,719
room and no nobody else saw it nobody

3294
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:12,550
else could hear the time okay the thing

3295
02:14:15,990 --> 02:14:14,290
would talk to him when he was in church

3296
02:14:19,229 --> 02:14:16,000
and he would look around and nobody

3297
02:14:21,930 --> 02:14:19,239
nobody was reacting to it when when he

3298
02:14:23,250 --> 02:14:21,940
specific things like going to church the

3299
02:14:25,169 --> 02:14:23,260
voice would keep telling him to get out

3300
02:14:26,580 --> 02:14:25,179
and he would get a headache and his

3301
02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:26,590
headache would get progressively worse

3302
02:14:31,050 --> 02:14:28,960
until it chased him out it chased him

3303
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:31,060
out of the of the sanctuary and when he

3304
02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:33,130
when he left his headache would

3305
02:14:36,419 --> 02:14:34,719
automatically disappear

3306
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:36,429
this thing would start telling him to do

3307
02:14:39,300 --> 02:14:37,690
things like getting you get in your

3308
02:14:41,970 --> 02:14:39,310
truck and he would get in his truck and

3309
02:14:45,300 --> 02:14:41,980
wake up three hours later and he would

3310
02:14:47,550 --> 02:14:45,310
be 150 miles away sitting in his truck

3311
02:14:48,959 --> 02:14:47,560
that still started in front of a

3312
02:14:51,870 --> 02:14:48,969
convenience store he had no idea how he

3313
02:14:54,540 --> 02:14:51,880
got there the thing hated his girlfriend

3314
02:14:55,379 --> 02:14:54,550
and would would tell him you got to get

3315
02:14:56,910 --> 02:14:55,389
rid of your girlfriend

3316
02:14:58,979 --> 02:14:56,920
get rid of her and and when he when

3317
02:15:01,020 --> 02:14:58,989
Travis was around his girlfriend the

3318
02:15:03,390 --> 02:15:01,030
thing was gone which means he probably

3319
02:15:04,649 --> 02:15:03,400
should have married that girl but in

3320
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which he was talking to her on the

3321
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telephone the thing he would feel that

3322
02:15:10,530 --> 02:15:08,590
it was wasn't anywhere near him but as

3323
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soon as he left his girlfriend's house

3324
02:15:14,399 --> 02:15:12,790
or got off the phone it would come back

3325
02:15:17,550 --> 02:15:14,409
and it would be angry and hit him with

3326
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headaches again you eventually broke up

3327
02:15:21,990 --> 02:15:19,929
with the girl duh the thing then started

3328
02:15:23,970 --> 02:15:22,000
telling him that he had to get rid of

3329
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:23,980
his father and at that point he started

3330
02:15:27,750 --> 02:15:25,360
talking to his dad about it and his

3331
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dad's a big churchgoer and they had

3332
02:15:30,990 --> 02:15:29,590
prayer session after prayer session

3333
02:15:34,410 --> 02:15:31,000
after prayer shut session and and

3334
02:15:36,569 --> 02:15:34,420
finally the thing left Travis said that

3335
02:15:38,129 --> 02:15:36,579
it didn't disappear but it's in the back

3336
02:15:41,270 --> 02:15:38,139
of his head somewhere he knows it's

3337
02:15:44,970 --> 02:15:41,280
there it just hasn't reared a tent again

3338
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:44,980
Travis is 24 now and is the night

3339
02:15:48,780 --> 02:15:47,440
manager at Taco Bell but he seems to be

3340
02:15:51,240 --> 02:15:48,790
doing pretty well and in this case

3341
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:51,250
actually really means a bit to me

3342
02:15:55,470 --> 02:15:53,050
because we go to church with these

3343
02:15:58,350 --> 02:15:55,480
people we go to each other's house for

3344
02:16:01,169 --> 02:15:58,360
dinner and and and I know them extremely

3345
02:16:03,660 --> 02:16:01,179
well and and in Travis Boak Travis ed

3346
02:16:06,060 --> 02:16:03,670
and his father this physically I can

3347
02:16:07,740 --> 02:16:06,070
tell that it really upsets them now the

3348
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:07,750
skeptics in our audience I'm gonna say

3349
02:16:11,730 --> 02:16:09,760
maybe he should go to a psychiatrist and

3350
02:16:13,770 --> 02:16:11,740
get some more intensive therapy

3351
02:16:16,500 --> 02:16:13,780
to find out what's going on to look for

3352
02:16:19,710 --> 02:16:16,510
mental demons rather than physical ones

3353
02:16:21,900 --> 02:16:19,720
well yes and of course there's that I'm

3354
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:21,910
with the really old school thousands of

3355
02:16:28,700 --> 02:16:24,490
year old you know sort of sort of cure

3356
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:31,890
any other instances of possession or

3357
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:34,800
maybe something that requires exorcism

3358
02:16:40,890 --> 02:16:38,410
not in this not in this book no this was

3359
02:16:43,350 --> 02:16:40,900
my one case of exorcism right I try and

3360
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:43,360
stay away from from the darker ones but

3361
02:16:47,310 --> 02:16:45,850
you know the occasional dark story I

3362
02:16:49,410 --> 02:16:47,320
like to stick it I know that when you're

3363
02:16:51,180 --> 02:16:49,420
talking about sort of paranormal and

3364
02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:51,190
supernatural things one thing that you

3365
02:16:56,310 --> 02:16:52,810
cover in the book is the whole issue of

3366
02:16:58,260 --> 02:16:56,320
the use of Ouija boards and you know how

3367
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,270
that comes into play with the paranormal

3368
02:17:02,070 --> 02:17:00,160
and what people think about the motor

3369
02:17:04,170 --> 02:17:02,080
sex I just wondered you know if you had

3370
02:17:06,660 --> 02:17:04,180
any interesting stories to tell about

3371
02:17:09,330 --> 02:17:06,670
the cases you investigated and you know

3372
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:09,340
what conclusions you come away from the

3373
02:17:16,740 --> 02:17:12,010
whole notion of you know using Ouija

3374
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:16,750
boards etc well I'm when it comes to the

3375
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:19,690
Ouija boards or seances or automatic

3376
02:17:26,910 --> 02:17:22,690
writing or just talking to things and in

3377
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:26,920
an empty room any of this is you know an

3378
02:17:30,990 --> 02:17:28,810
invitation you're saying hey somebody I

3379
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,000
can't see something I can't see come and

3380
02:17:37,500 --> 02:17:33,280
talk to me and if something is out there

3381
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:37,510
and if something nasty is is is waiting

3382
02:17:43,730 --> 02:17:40,170
around for an invitation to talk to you

3383
02:17:46,020 --> 02:17:43,740
that's the invitation if I were to use a

3384
02:17:47,730 --> 02:17:46,030
Ouija board with something happened I

3385
02:17:50,010 --> 02:17:47,740
don't know probably probably not ideally

3386
02:17:51,210 --> 02:17:50,020
I used a Ouija board once and that was

3387
02:17:54,480 --> 02:17:51,220
in high school and that was just a hit

3388
02:17:59,070 --> 02:17:54,490
on some check check

3389
02:18:01,590 --> 02:17:59,080
yes I did show the Ouija boards are bad

3390
02:18:04,170 --> 02:18:01,600
because that was just worst thing that

3391
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:04,180
happened be careful what you wish for or

3392
02:18:10,350 --> 02:18:06,610
who you wish for or whoever you wish for

3393
02:18:13,440 --> 02:18:10,360
sorry people right but but all the

3394
02:18:15,630 --> 02:18:13,450
interviews I've done all the people who

3395
02:18:18,930 --> 02:18:15,640
have worked with Ouija boards things bad

3396
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:18,940
things happen and I try to just warn

3397
02:18:22,350 --> 02:18:20,800
people to stay away from from something

3398
02:18:25,050 --> 02:18:22,360
where traditionally bad things happen

3399
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:25,060
and I said saying something in doing you

3400
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:25,599
know

3401
02:18:31,560 --> 02:18:28,240
into an empty room I interviewed a guy

3402
02:18:33,930 --> 02:18:31,570
from South Missouri who hunts and he

3403
02:18:38,459 --> 02:18:33,940
owns quite a bit of land and he has a

3404
02:18:40,830 --> 02:18:38,469
trailer a pop-up trailer a way back in

3405
02:18:43,620 --> 02:18:40,840
the woods that he uses when he goes deer

3406
02:18:45,510 --> 02:18:43,630
hunting and he went out one night the

3407
02:18:47,250 --> 02:18:45,520
night before deer deer season started a

3408
02:18:48,480 --> 02:18:47,260
couple of years ago and was sitting

3409
02:18:50,640 --> 02:18:48,490
around the campfire having a couple of

3410
02:18:52,500 --> 02:18:50,650
beers and said he didn't feel like he

3411
02:18:54,570 --> 02:18:52,510
was alone and he said out into the

3412
02:18:55,799 --> 02:18:54,580
darkness you know I think something's

3413
02:18:57,570 --> 02:18:55,809
out there if you're out there come sit

3414
02:19:01,589 --> 02:18:57,580
by the fire and have a beer with me and

3415
02:19:03,540 --> 02:19:01,599
later in the evening is the trailer

3416
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:03,550
started rocking like crazy he couldn't

3417
02:19:08,010 --> 02:19:05,679
see anything out you know of the holes

3418
02:19:09,570 --> 02:19:08,020
that he had to look at he tried to open

3419
02:19:12,209 --> 02:19:09,580
the door the door was locked from the

3420
02:19:13,500 --> 02:19:12,219
outside and that's not possible it

3421
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:13,510
doesn't lock from the outside it just

3422
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:17,410
locks from the inside and he told

3423
02:19:20,730 --> 02:19:19,210
whatever was out there shaking the

3424
02:19:22,860 --> 02:19:20,740
trailers or to move he was gonna shoot

3425
02:19:24,660 --> 02:19:22,870
at the door and he blasted the door and

3426
02:19:26,850 --> 02:19:24,670
told to the lock came open and there was

3427
02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:26,860
nothing out there and after that point

3428
02:19:32,129 --> 02:19:30,370
whenever he walks by a door the door

3429
02:19:33,390 --> 02:19:32,139
moves at least six inches he said no

3430
02:19:35,940 --> 02:19:33,400
matter where he is or the way to the

3431
02:19:37,530 --> 02:19:35,950
door so he's convinced that whatever he

3432
02:19:40,020 --> 02:19:37,540
invited to sit next to him by the fire

3433
02:19:41,850 --> 02:19:40,030
came and stuck with him it hasn't done

3434
02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:41,860
anything bad but it creeps the hell out

3435
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:43,570
of him did you ask him to demonstrate

3436
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:48,130
this to you he hey I interviewed him

3437
02:19:51,720 --> 02:19:50,170
interviewed him and some of his family

3438
02:19:54,330 --> 02:19:51,730
members over and over the phone but he

3439
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:54,340
he lives a good eight-hour drive for me

3440
02:19:57,480 --> 02:19:56,530
so no I didn't this is not something

3441
02:20:01,310 --> 02:19:57,490
that you're going to come to his house

3442
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:01,320
and say okay move that door six inches

3443
02:20:05,430 --> 02:20:03,010
closer I would

3444
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:05,440
so in general we drew boards I don't

3445
02:20:09,090 --> 02:20:06,850
know I've always been concerned about

3446
02:20:12,470 --> 02:20:09,100
them but the only time I really use them

3447
02:20:15,780 --> 02:20:12,480
I was a teenager and my best friend's

3448
02:20:18,120 --> 02:20:15,790
mother seemed to have luck but I think

3449
02:20:19,410 --> 02:20:18,130
she was just putting us on and that's

3450
02:20:21,210 --> 02:20:19,420
not the question - with a Ouija board

3451
02:20:25,110 --> 02:20:21,220
how much food is just subconscious

3452
02:20:27,210 --> 02:20:25,120
movement of the thing there well it

3453
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could be her I mean there's you could

3454
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easily do some sleight of hand to make

3455
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the planchette move I I'm not I'm not

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saying I'm you know a believer in Ouija

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boards it's just something I just really

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don't want to really don't want to play

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with you never

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you never attempted huh well just like I

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said just that one time and it didn't it

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didn't end well right and you'll never

3463
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do it again

3464
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never so is that a warning here are the

3465
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things people should do to avoid

3466
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encountering so-called evil paranormal

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events yeah no no invitations don't call

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out they come and come and join me yeah

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like I said that the Ouija board or

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trying to do automatic writing or things

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of that nature IME depending on on your

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religion certain things from other

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religions you shouldn't do I and if

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you're a hardcore Christian yeah stay

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away from Wicca of course if you're a

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hardcore Wicca you might want to stay

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away from Christianity but it all has to

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do with somebody's belief system and in

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my belief system is I just stay out of

3480
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the way of these things

3481
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hmm so you're seeing in a lot of cases

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where people don't stay away from these

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things they live to regret it right wine

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let's go back with uh you know with the

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Wicca I interviewed a woman from st.

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Louis a number of years ago who just

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innocently bought a book of spells and

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and she bought this old farmhouse and

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she lived there for a while and

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everything was perfectly normal and then

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she found the book of spells she'd

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bought months ago and started to do a

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final session with Jason Offutt author

3617
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of what lurks beyond the paranormal in

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your backyard and we're talking about

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this person who decided to play with

3620
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spells and live to regret it let's

3621
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continue well yeah a lot of ghostly kind

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of activity happened in this house that

3623
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hadn't started until she till she tried

3624
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to cast a couple of spells and and it

3625
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built up to the point to where she she

3626
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started seeing a shadow person in her

3627
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house and the shadow person started

3628
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getting more bold and she started to

3629
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hear her name whispered and after that I

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completely lost contact she didn't

3631
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didn't want to talk about it anymore she

3632
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ran off I'm not sure but the point is

3633
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with with spells or you know it if you

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don't have a CDL you can't don't drive a

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big truck okay if you're not trying to

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do an exorcism don't try to do an

3637
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exorcism that that's that's kind of my

3638
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point on Ouija boards if you don't know

3639
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what you're doing don't don't do it

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stay back but how do you know what

3641
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you're doing what kind of training is

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there to use a Ouija board

3643
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do we have Ouija board school well there

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there are lots of people out there who

3645
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claim they know what they're doing but

3646
02:28:13,439 --> 02:28:10,899
it's a Ouija board who knows what

3647
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they're doing so again basically my my

3648
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:15,550
my thought is just stay away

3649
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don't don't poke the bear let's poke the

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Bears in a different way in this final

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do we take all these events tons of

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stuff happening in your neighborhood we

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know wherever we go around the world

3655
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there will be other cases similar maybe

3656
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some different but how in the end can we

3657
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possibly take all this stuff and figure

3658
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out what's really happening how can we

3659
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prove it to a point where real

3660
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scientists as opposed to the few that do

3661
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explore here but just mainstream

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scientists will say you know what this

3663
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is worth looking into well you just have

3664
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to show show them enough evidence and

3665
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then what mainstream scientists have

3666
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very dr. john mack when he started doing

3667
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his research realized oh wait a second

3668
02:29:06,001 --> 02:29:03,430
there's something going on dr. Jeff

3669
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Meldrum the anthropology

3670
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of Utah State or Idaho State I don't I

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don't remember when he started doing a

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little bit of research and now let me

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take a look at these

3674
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you know big Bigfoot you know foot cast

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plaster cast and then he noticed wait a

3676
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second

3677
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these couldn't have been faked this is a

3678
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primate footprint you know and tell you

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piqued somebody's interest like that you

3680
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know it's not going to be proven to

3681
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scientists the problem is you know

3682
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scientist you're not going to get tenure

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if you start researching this stuff

3684
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you're not going to get you know

3685
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promoted you're not going to get grant

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money if you were researching

3687
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researching the paranormal so it's going

3688
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to take take take a special scientist in

3689
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order to start doing that kind of

3690
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research the other thing is here is that

3691
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some people want to compartmentalize

3692
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these various subjects so we have UFOs

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in one category ghosts in other strange

3694
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creatures possession so that makes it

3695
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difficult because can we really separate

3696
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any of this stuff is it all due to

3697
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similar causes well which is a great

3698
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question and a lot of people have

3699
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explored that you know they're trying to

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find the unified paranormal field theory

3701
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it doesn't seem to be that you know that

3702
02:30:21,900 --> 02:30:20,471
ghosts and UFOs are connected it doesn't

3703
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:21,910
seem to be the UFOs and Bigfoot are

3704
02:30:26,570 --> 02:30:24,250
connected but there are so many reports

3705
02:30:29,070 --> 02:30:26,580
out there that do connect them

3706
02:30:30,860 --> 02:30:29,080
unfortunately people out there who are

3707
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trying to do the research are focused on

3708
02:30:36,871 --> 02:30:33,820
this is a UFO it's an unbolt raft from a

3709
02:30:38,911 --> 02:30:36,881
different a different galaxy how can it

3710
02:30:41,640 --> 02:30:38,921
have anything to do with UFOs

3711
02:30:43,980 --> 02:30:41,650
right the first time I heard Jim Marrs

3712
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talking about it he started collecting

3713
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stories about the base in Roswell the

3714
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the hospital or the hospital used to be

3715
02:30:55,650 --> 02:30:51,700
people reporting seeing you know ghosts

3716
02:30:57,720 --> 02:30:55,660
of ETS you know what Wow yeah I never

3717
02:31:00,091 --> 02:30:57,730
tried to put those together before you

3718
02:31:01,980 --> 02:31:00,101
know so yeah I I don't know it's it's

3719
02:31:03,841 --> 02:31:01,990
gonna stay compartmentalized you know

3720
02:31:05,701 --> 02:31:03,851
when people are with a mind frame that

3721
02:31:08,430 --> 02:31:05,711
Bigfoot can't have anything to do with

3722
02:31:10,801 --> 02:31:08,440
the paranormal it's an animal so it's

3723
02:31:13,501 --> 02:31:10,811
all paranormal tunnel vision I kind of

3724
02:31:15,331 --> 02:31:13,511
think you think the same right Nick yeah

3725
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:15,341
I think you know when I first got into

3726
02:31:19,900 --> 02:31:18,160
subjects like this that my view was that

3727
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,910
they were all complete

3728
02:31:23,530 --> 02:31:21,920
be separate but then you know it's very

3729
02:31:26,350 --> 02:31:23,540
often the case that the more you dig

3730
02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:26,360
into them you do find intriguing and

3731
02:31:31,150 --> 02:31:28,330
sometimes quite significant parallels

3732
02:31:34,180 --> 02:31:31,160
where you know you have to begin to

3733
02:31:36,430 --> 02:31:34,190
wonder is this subject truly isolated

3734
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:36,440
from that subject you know and a lot of

3735
02:31:40,540 --> 02:31:38,570
researchers particularly those who have

3736
02:31:43,270 --> 02:31:40,550
very much belief driven a quite hostile

3737
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:43,280
to the idea that their little pet

3738
02:31:47,320 --> 02:31:44,930
subject could possibly have anything to

3739
02:31:49,091 --> 02:31:47,330
do with anything else you know for

3740
02:31:51,670 --> 02:31:49,101
example out of the old guard who would

3741
02:31:53,591 --> 02:31:51,680
grew up on within the UFO field on books

3742
02:31:58,120 --> 02:31:53,601
like from the likes of high-neck and

3743
02:32:01,180 --> 02:31:58,130
Kehoe etc a quite openly hostile to the

3744
02:32:03,341 --> 02:32:01,190
possible Bigfoot connections between

3745
02:32:05,500 --> 02:32:03,351
some of these for now these phenomena or

3746
02:32:07,570 --> 02:32:05,510
the idea that the men in black could

3747
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:07,580
have anything other than government

3748
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:10,160
agency connections you know the idea

3749
02:32:13,990 --> 02:32:11,840
that their paranormal or something is

3750
02:32:15,730 --> 02:32:14,000
just like a no-go area but if you're

3751
02:32:18,030 --> 02:32:15,740
honest with yourself as a researcher I

3752
02:32:20,140 --> 02:32:18,040
think you have to realize that there are

3753
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:20,150
crossovers and what we need to

3754
02:32:26,890 --> 02:32:23,840
understand is is why these crossovers

3755
02:32:29,170 --> 02:32:26,900
exist how they exist and more

3756
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:29,180
importantly why people are so determined

3757
02:32:34,030 --> 02:32:31,610
to ignore them I think part of it just

3758
02:32:36,341 --> 02:32:34,040
comes down to people just don't want

3759
02:32:38,051 --> 02:32:36,351
their belief systems affected from the

3760
02:32:40,150 --> 02:32:38,061
safe comfort zone that they're already

3761
02:32:43,060 --> 02:32:40,160
in so we're talking about artificial

3762
02:32:45,430 --> 02:32:43,070
limits to the investigation of all this

3763
02:32:48,100 --> 02:32:45,440
stuff yeah and a lot of the artificial

3764
02:32:50,140 --> 02:32:48,110
limits are actually promoted by people

3765
02:32:52,120 --> 02:32:50,150
within the field that's the ironic thing

3766
02:32:53,470 --> 02:32:52,130
is that you know where it's almost like

3767
02:32:55,900 --> 02:32:53,480
we're looking for the answers to a lot

3768
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:55,910
of Secrets where there's a high degree

3769
02:33:00,580 --> 02:32:58,010
of self-censorship going on as well so

3770
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:00,590
that's a good question Jason and what

3771
02:33:05,140 --> 02:33:03,410
point did you think that all this might

3772
02:33:07,150 --> 02:33:05,150
be related because he certainly treated

3773
02:33:09,881 --> 02:33:07,160
that way in your books right well it

3774
02:33:11,470 --> 02:33:09,891
only happened in the last couple of

3775
02:33:13,091 --> 02:33:11,480
years when I really started you know

3776
02:33:15,730 --> 02:33:13,101
writing fairly heavily about about the

3777
02:33:16,930 --> 02:33:15,740
paranormal and who came to realize you

3778
02:33:18,970 --> 02:33:16,940
know all the stuff that people say they

3779
02:33:20,680 --> 02:33:18,980
know about ghosts and UFOs and Bigfoot

3780
02:33:23,140 --> 02:33:20,690
there's still these are all still

3781
02:33:25,570 --> 02:33:23,150
unknown quantities you know we don't

3782
02:33:28,780 --> 02:33:25,580
know what's going on really we can

3783
02:33:30,490 --> 02:33:28,790
speculate and why can't all these things

3784
02:33:33,070 --> 02:33:30,500
why can't all these things be connected

3785
02:33:33,791 --> 02:33:33,080
you know that was when when it really

3786
02:33:35,231 --> 02:33:33,801
hit me is yeah

3787
02:33:36,791 --> 02:33:35,241
we don't know what a ghost is I mean

3788
02:33:38,441 --> 02:33:36,801
they've been reported in every culture

3789
02:33:40,301 --> 02:33:38,451
throughout the planet for as long as you

3790
02:33:41,501 --> 02:33:40,311
know as far back as we go so you know

3791
02:33:43,481 --> 02:33:41,511
are there ghosts yeah it sounds like

3792
02:33:44,981 --> 02:33:43,491
there may be but but you know why can't

3793
02:33:47,381 --> 02:33:44,991
they be connected with something else

3794
02:33:52,091 --> 02:33:47,391
because we don't have a textbook that

3795
02:33:54,341 --> 02:33:52,101
says science says this so yeah I'm all

3796
02:33:57,640 --> 02:33:54,351
for these things being you know being

3797
02:34:00,191 --> 02:33:57,650
one in the same so ghosts may not be the

3798
02:34:04,060 --> 02:34:00,201
return of someone who just died no it

3799
02:34:06,911 --> 02:34:04,070
could be a bit of unjust addo or a plot

3800
02:34:08,951 --> 02:34:06,921
a mustard web by interdimensional or

3801
02:34:10,871 --> 02:34:08,961
time travel some people suggest when we

3802
02:34:13,241 --> 02:34:10,881
see a ghost we're actually peering into

3803
02:34:16,060 --> 02:34:13,251
another reality where that ghost is

3804
02:34:17,531 --> 02:34:16,070
really a living physical person which is

3805
02:34:20,021 --> 02:34:17,541
something I touched about when I was

3806
02:34:23,051 --> 02:34:20,031
researching shadow people I posted on on

3807
02:34:26,531 --> 02:34:23,061
my blog of course is completely undone

3808
02:34:28,001 --> 02:34:26,541
scientific but I posted a poll on what

3809
02:34:30,821 --> 02:34:28,011
do you think shadow people are and I had

3810
02:34:32,621 --> 02:34:30,831
a extensive list and one of the one of

3811
02:34:34,781 --> 02:34:32,631
the things on the list was

3812
02:34:38,411 --> 02:34:34,791
interdimensional travelers and that got

3813
02:34:40,091 --> 02:34:38,421
probably 85% of the votes of course when

3814
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:40,101
I talk to physicists about this they got

3815
02:34:45,251 --> 02:34:42,650
a pretty big chuckle over it being an

3816
02:34:48,161 --> 02:34:45,261
interdimensional traveller but it I mean

3817
02:34:49,901 --> 02:34:48,171
you know popular popular culture right

3818
02:34:51,491 --> 02:34:49,911
now that that makes a lot of sense and

3819
02:34:53,411 --> 02:34:51,501
frankly makes a lot of sense to me too

3820
02:34:54,970 --> 02:34:53,421
I'll tell you what what makes a lot of

3821
02:34:55,961 --> 02:34:54,980
sense to us is we have about a minute

3822
02:34:58,151 --> 02:34:55,971
and a half left

3823
02:35:02,140 --> 02:34:58,161
Jason offer take a few moments to talk

3824
02:35:03,611 --> 02:35:02,150
about your new book okay what lurks

3825
02:35:06,821 --> 02:35:03,621
beyond the paranormal and in your

3826
02:35:08,801 --> 02:35:06,831
backyard basically I set out to find and

3827
02:35:10,691 --> 02:35:08,811
and prove to people that the paranormal

3828
02:35:12,551 --> 02:35:10,701
is everywhere it's not just in you know

3829
02:35:15,281 --> 02:35:12,561
isolated corners of the world it's not

3830
02:35:18,071 --> 02:35:15,291
just in the you know Amazon rainforest

3831
02:35:19,961 --> 02:35:18,081
it's right outside your back door I'm

3832
02:35:22,060 --> 02:35:19,971
looking out my window right now into my

3833
02:35:24,850 --> 02:35:22,070
backyard and I can see one of the

3834
02:35:28,271 --> 02:35:24,860
haunted spots that's in my book from my

3835
02:35:29,801 --> 02:35:28,281
back window so it's everywhere okay and

3836
02:35:31,331 --> 02:35:29,811
I challenge people I challenge all the

3837
02:35:33,581 --> 02:35:31,341
listeners to look outside your back door

3838
02:35:35,291 --> 02:35:33,591
and find whatever paranormal things out

3839
02:35:37,810 --> 02:35:35,301
there because it's it's looking through

3840
02:35:39,011 --> 02:35:37,820
your screen at night maybe my screen

3841
02:35:40,661 --> 02:35:39,021
I'll have to start taking a look the

3842
02:35:43,180 --> 02:35:40,671
book is called what lurks beyond the

3843
02:35:46,631 --> 02:35:43,190
paranormal in your backyard from Jason

3844
02:35:47,469 --> 02:35:46,641
Offutt and it's from the Truman State

3845
02:35:49,569 --> 02:35:47,479
University

3846
02:35:51,639 --> 02:35:49,579
press available from Amazon books and

3847
02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:51,649
lots of places Nick Redfern where do we

3848
02:35:55,779 --> 02:35:54,409
find more of the things you do you find

3849
02:35:57,609 --> 02:35:55,789
more about the things I do at Nick

3850
02:36:00,069 --> 02:35:57,619
Redfern comm which is an easy one to

3851
02:36:02,260 --> 02:36:00,079
remember hopefully and what's your next

3852
02:36:03,639 --> 02:36:02,270
book by the way that's have a book

3853
02:36:05,800 --> 02:36:03,649
coming out in about two weeks called

3854
02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:05,810
final events which is probably the most

3855
02:36:11,109 --> 02:36:08,810
controversial book I've ever written and

3856
02:36:13,389 --> 02:36:11,119
he actually deals with a think-tank type

3857
02:36:15,729 --> 02:36:13,399
group I've uncovered in the government

3858
02:36:17,109 --> 02:36:15,739
in the US government that believes the

3859
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:17,119
whole UFO phenomenon is not

3860
02:36:22,569 --> 02:36:19,850
extraterrestrial but has demonic literal

3861
02:36:24,309 --> 02:36:22,579
demonic origins and you'll be here to

3862
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:24,319
talk about that book in the very near

3863
02:36:28,599 --> 02:36:25,010
future

3864
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:28,609
whatever you darn well maybe we'll have

3865
02:36:33,880 --> 02:36:30,770
Jason be the one to question you will

3866
02:36:35,889 --> 02:36:33,890
see next week we have David Hatcher

3867
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:35,899
Childress to return to answer your

3868
02:36:40,719 --> 02:36:38,720
questions and talk about Yeti special

3869
02:36:42,489 --> 02:36:40,729
thank you always to Nick Redfern for

3870
02:36:45,309 --> 02:36:42,499
being one of our co-hosts on the power

3871
02:36:48,069 --> 02:36:45,319
cast Jason Offutt thank you so much for

3872
02:36:49,989 --> 02:36:48,079
being on the power cast gene Nick it's

3873
02:36:56,100 --> 02:36:49,999
been great being on good to talk to you

3874
02:36:59,921 --> 02:36:58,511
the pair cast is a calculated

3875
02:37:02,621 --> 02:36:59,931
presentation of making the impossible

3876
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:02,631
incorporated tune in next week for a new